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Basilus West
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PostPosted: Tue 13 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

JaSoN and TRiggs, swallowing and itching problems are common "beginner problems". You just have to try to go further and don't worry about that. Don't think about this problem. Focus on another thing. It disappears with experience.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

The first time i tied WILD, i counted and actually had vibrations and speedy heart rate. I tried counting a little more but i swear it driving me mad. I start counting and from doing this boring proccess I keep thinking about stuff which keeps me awake. Ive tried switching to breaths, concentating on point in your body, and a few others but nothing can seem to block out my thoughts. I didnt have this problem my first few times why is thius such a problem now (one week into). Also everyone is confusing me about HI, they say i should see landscapes and crap. The thing is i dont ever get lanscapes, i dont ever get SP, i dont get vibrations, all i get is numb. My HI, or what i think they are, are just swirls of color and the closest thing ive came to an image was what looked to be a yellow snake that jumped at me with his mouth open (not vivid at all just if you looked at the swirl of it it looked like a snake). So what am i doing wrong?

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PostPosted: Sat 17 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I'm just curious, how long did it take for you get the hold of WILD those who are good at it?

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

@ grasswar - I did WILD thismorning for the first time, but before that I was asking alot of the questions you are asking now. Firstly, I would do WBTB with WILD, it really helps. With this I didnt have to stay awake for to long. Everyone is different and people often tweak WILD to suit them. I saw a very clear image of myself walking through a door then SP came on and I just knew I was going to become lucid. So keep trying, be confident and all your questions will be answered smile Good luck.

@ savavarg - 2 months of on and off, about 3 weeks of solid practicing smile


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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I've been trying WILD every night for the last 3 weeks and I never happened to see the HI. How long do you have to wait for these to appear ? It's like I can spend one hour counting my breathing, my steps, or anything but there's nothing to see.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Eph, some people dont get HI, so maybe wild isnt for you. Have you tried BWGEN? I used this a couple of nights and got some good improovements on my HI.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I posted this somewhere else too, but it belongs here, so... Last night I did WBTB and tried WILD. I got really close. I was going in and out of a dream. I got the feeling of being pulled out of my body, or the vibrations. I was in the dream but I also felt my real body. I'm sick so I wasnt comfortable and I couldnt let go of my body.

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PostPosted: Sun 18 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I had HI once but at the time I i didn't know of LD. It was like a red spiral floating before my eyes, very .. interesting.
I'll try bwgen tonight. Hope it works better than suneye. neutral


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Ok, I now have some experience with WILD and believe this is the technique for me because I can get to the "stage" where I can see through my eyelids every night, and this is like when I go to bed not after sleeping 6 hours. I also get HI in the form of lights in the shape of wings flying by me. But my problem is controlling them, everyone talks about zooming in on them and stuff but when I try to zoom in on them I just see through my closed eyelids, it is strange. I was just wondering if anyone could provide some advice on controlling the HI and forming it into a scene so I can just jump into it. And when you do this you have to imagine this happening in 1st person, correct?

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

And when I start seeing through my eyelids, could I perhaps use a technique to induce and OBE because from what I understand being able to see through your closed eyelids means you're almost there.

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Also, I usually try to WILD without WBTB and for those few of you who do that too, how long does it take you to enter the dream?

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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Eph wrote:
I've been trying WILD every night for the last 3 weeks and I never happened to see the HI.

There are three kinds of WILD'ers : those who see HI; those who have auditory HH; those who have kinestetic HH (floating or falling feeling or vibrations). So it's not a problem. But you have to reach one of these HH in order to WILD.
Eph wrote:
I had HI once but at the time I i didn't know of LD. It was like a red spiral floating before my eyes, very .. interesting.

ilovelucid wrote:
I also get HI in the form of lights in the shape of wings flying by me.

At first sight, what you describe is not hypnagogic imagery but phosphenes. Phosphenes are fuzzy light dots. Hypnagogic imagery are precise images (faces, landcapes, etc.) which appear suddenly in front of your eyes.
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And when you do this you have to imagine this happening in 1st person, correct?

That's right.


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I haven't seen actual HI yet, might have had auditory HH a couple of times. I heard a sudden loud noise just as i fell asleep which startled me awake.

Basilus West wrote:
those who have kinestetic HH (floating or falling feeling or vibrations).
Can HH happen as you wake from sleep too? Sometimes i wake up (after six or more hours sleep) with the falling feeling. There's no sound or images and it only lasts a second, not much longer.


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

whispa wrote:
Can HH happen as you wake from sleep too?

Yes indeed, then it's not called hypnagogic but hypnopompic hallucinations.


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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Yesterday I tried bwgen. I didn't LD but I had the feeling of a cold tear right between my eyes. Was it some kinesthesic HH ?

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