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whispa
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PostPosted: Wed 21 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Basilus West wrote:
whispa wrote:
Can HH happen as you wake from sleep too?

Yes indeed, then it's not called hypnagogic but hypnopompic hallucinations.

ah cool, thanks smile

Eph wrote:
Yesterday I tried bwgen. I didn't LD but I had the feeling of a cold tear right between my eyes. Was it some kinesthesic HH ?

Yes, Anything that you can feel is kinesthesic


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Hi!...i'm new here, I've been trying a lot of WILD-nes the last few weeks, and i can't seem to get in the right wild state whenever i'm really tired.

However, I managed to see some of the wild stuff ^^ , like a buzzing sensation, the sounds and images...the high speed falling feeling.

but this is where I get stuck, where do I go from here?..I can't fall asleep for some reason, most of the time i give up because nothing happens help! ..

Anyway, thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu 22 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

bye Eep
You just got to keep at it! You have to remember it is a skill and every night you slave away, trying to WILD you are improving, even though the improvments are not always evident. It seems you are almost there, maybe just need a bit of pacients?

Good luck! rechterduim omhoog met knipoog


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

I rarely have the patience at night to WILD tounge2 (it takes me a while to get to sleep), but one morning I tried... after what mustve been 10-20 minutes I had some completely random HI flash by, and I started feeling vibrations :D

Only problem: I had no idea what was next! Hehe... I snapped back and couldn't get back to sleep. Plus, it was about 11:30am wink5

What should I be expecting after vibrations? Or shouldn't I be getting them?

-Riggzy


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PostPosted: Sat 24 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

The vibrations are a normal part of WILD. Essienatially the vibrations are your body began to enter sleep paralysis for dreaming.

When the vibrations come just try to stay relaxed and they will soon pass. After that is shouldn't take long for the hypnogogic imagery to turn into a dream scene, and then wala, you have succesfully WILD'ed.


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PostPosted: Sun 25 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Is it possible to WILD without actually being tired? I tried this just before felt no real tiredness at all when lying down in bed ready to try it. I lay there for about 50minutes all up, completely still relaxed and most of my body paralysed and numb though no hypnogogic imagery, there were same vague things in the black behind my eyes but then i wasn't sure if it was imagery or my eyes were opening a bit at the bottom letting some light in. I got some mind flashes of images and places but they were visible on the inside of my eyelids just thoughts but more...

It ended with me trying a forceful technique where i feel like i'm speeding up constantly, rapid eye movement , huge rush and it feels like the bed bends under my feet then nothing..keep in mind whenever i've tried that technique which i wont go into detail about its generally always the same then i get insomnia but very interesting sensations.

I guess WILD is better suited for when im very tired, my mind was most likely far too concious to enter a sleep state, it did however enter me into a very very clear meditative headspace where I had no thoughts what so ever


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

<mod>moved from the LD FAQ to the big WILD topic. LD FAQ thread is to propose new questions/answers</mod>

Okay first, I can use the WBTB method, but I'm trying to also use WILD.

I just need to know, how long does it take on average before you reach hypnagogic imagery or body vibrations or any signs that you're close? eh


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PostPosted: Fri 30 Dec, 2005  Reply with quote

Really depends on the person I think, but on average 30min - 1hour. . .

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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

smile Okay, I almost had my first WILD--I got up to the phosphenes after fifteen minutes and moved on to hypnagogic imagery five minutes later where I almost entered into a dream, but I couldn't get in (I got excited, I think rolleyes ). I attempted a second time, but fell asleep--I know I'm close to a WILD! :D

So, I have two questions:

1. Do the vibrations come before or after hypnagogs?

and eh

2. What do I do when the hypnagogs come (as far as entering the dream)?

I'm so close....thanks in advance for your help wink


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PostPosted: Sun 01 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

Some people don't have vibrations. There are generally three kinds of WILD'ers. Those who have HI (visual hallucinations), those who have vibes, falling feeling (cinesthesic hallucinations) and those who have auditory hallucinations.
So don't worry if you don't have vibrations.

I won't be able to answer your second question. sadblauw I hope somebody can.


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PostPosted: Tue 03 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

Okay, I got the vibes just last night when doing WILD, it was in-between pre-hypnogogic (not phosphenes, but in-between that and hypnogogia) and hypnogogic imagery. So, for me it's before hypnogogics. Glad I got that figured out--I'm moving ever so closer to a WILD--WBTB is easier, but I'm gonna try to master all the techniques--they could come in good use for something....maybe. smile

Now it's just my second question that needs answering--what to do during the vibes or the hypnogogs (how to enter the dream)? eh


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

After you got some decent hypnagogics you can separate your dream body. My favorite trick to force separation is "snap back rolling." It tricks the neuromatrix into malfunction.

It starts by imagining yourself turning around the length axis of your body for about quarter of a turn or more. If I lay on my right side I simply pretend turning over on my back. Up to this point it may feel as an imagination but nevertheless, you have to do this very slowly and with a considerable force. Then, you should abruptly snap back and start to spin into the opposite direction, now for real and with full speed.

It actually feels like the first imagined turn somehow makes the path for the second opposite movement and spin. See also Xetrov's WILD variation. Where is Xetrov BTW?


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PostPosted: Wed 04 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

He's long gone, unfortunately...

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PostPosted: Thu 05 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

Okay, cool--I'll try that tonight--thanx Basilus, popov wink

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Jan, 2006  Reply with quote

From all that I've read, it seems WILD technique can induce either LD or OOBE depending on the person/intent. I cannot get to have either one, and I've tried it numerous times.

I lie motionless on my bed, in meditative state, for about 45 minutes before I start getting vibrations all throughout my body, which are then accompanied by buzzing sound. Then after 20 minutes or so, I feel my body getting paralyzed. I lie thus in SP for another 30 minutes, but I do not experience any HI.

After being in this state for nearly 2 hours, I just give up and try to go to sleep, but every time I practice this 'body asleep/mind awake' technique it's really hard for me to fall asleep.

Anyone got any useful suggestion(s) I can incorporate into my practices?


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