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Get in bed, relax for a while, think about what you want to accomplish (WILDing is what you want to accomplish), maybe do MILD for 10-15 minutes ("I will WILD tonight" or something like that)... then... just go ahead and get yourself fairly drowsy.
When you start to lose consciousness just lightly, and come back (or whenever you feel like you are going to fall asleep soon), set your alarm clock one hour ahead, and begin trying to WILD all the way.
When the alarm wakes you/goes off, set it forward another hour and continue trying to WILD.
When it awakens you/goes off the 2nd time, again, set forward an hour and try to WILD.
When it goes off the third time, turn the alarm clock off and try to WILD, if you fail, you'll just sleep the rest of the night.
This is done 3 times, because in general, REM is supposed to occur 3 hours after sleep, however we want to be able to train ourselves to enter REM upon will, when we go to bed.
The key to success is to establish a regular bedtime and regular alarm waking points.
My hope is that after the first/second/third awakening, you will be able to get one of those miracle super easy WILDs in.
After a few nights of doing this it may become progressively easier to WILD right when you go to bed, and it will certainly improve your dream recall in the early night as well as make you more likely to have LDs in your first few REMs.
What I'm hoping though is that doing this will eventually cause you to fall into an odd sleep pattern of hitting REM or some sort of *conscious sleep* shortly after lying down.
It's my experience that you can have lucid nREM (for me it's like I'm aware of my real body and cannot move in the dream in fear of moving my real body, it's a very light dreamy stage..... not too interesting) ... so..... the ultimate goal is just to become familiar with the first few stages of sleep to the point that you can either WILD into REM LDs, or WILD into nREM LDs, right when you go to bed.
This project will eventually yield many succesful bedtime WILDs, and the more you have, the more easy it is to have more.
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| Posted: Sat 19 Mar, 2005 |
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Seems interesting.
I usually have REM before 2-3 hours sleeping, because after that i usually go to toilet. But dreams during those first REM-s are very abstract. They are like some program running, similar to never ending abstract dreams during fever.
I wonder is it possible to have good vivid LD during first REM, or will it be as abstract as those first ND-s are.
Current LD goal(s): Making LD my hobby
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REM happens already somewhat after the 1st hour of sleep, yet these REM dreams are indeed pretty weird compared to REM dreams later on. nREM dreams however seem to be less weird on average then REM dreams. It is possible to WILD right into a vivid nREM LD, however as HR stated in these dreams you are sometimes so close to waking that you dare hardly move at all. Yet not all nREM dreams are like that, the prove lies in the fact that many people can WILD in the evening and have a very vivid LD experience. Besides that, it is pretty hard to be sure in what sleep stage you are when you are dreaming (REM or nREM).
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| Posted: Wed 23 Mar, 2005 |
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Yep... I've had a few extremely vivid and highly lucid dreams in my first sleep stage, and they were also quite lengthy. The only time I succeeded in WILD was at the onset of sleep. I'm not sure this was all nREM, because people can have an atypical sleep architecture and increased REM, for example when they are prone to depression. In my case it doesn't happen every night but it comes back quite often. I'm curious to see if it's possible to change ones sleep architecture at will, for example by practicing the technique described above.
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I will try this once/if i get used to going to sleep at the same time... right now I've set my bedtime to only give me like 8 hours of sleep, that sounds like enough but i wake up damn tired because no sunlight can enter my room.
i should probably start going to bed at 10.
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