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PostPosted: Fri 30 Aug, 2002  Reply with quote

I bought a calea plant from Legendary Ethnobotanicals and I just want to make sure it is what they said. I found this website that has a picture of "calea" and it looks the same as mine. Is this really calea?
http://entheogen.netfirms.com/main/mainpgs/plants/pla nts/calea.html alien


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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

I'm currently exploring calea z as best I can, and I've been getting some mixed results.

It seems to me that when it works, it works WELL, and it's beyond fascinating.

However, it seems like so far its hit ratio is pretty low. 3 out of 4 times (similar dosage, set and setting, etc.) I've tried it with no effect whatsoever, and this is coming from someone who can pretty much bring up a lucid dream at will.

I'm also in the process of writing up some reports and possibly submitting them to Erowid. I wish there was more info out there about it, but it seems the majority of the lucid dreamers I know of don't believe in "shortcuts," and the majority of the people I know of who do believe in "shortcuts" don't know that much about lucid dreaming.

And the people in between...well, they're already on Erowid. wink

I'd be very interested to hear what your experiences turn up.


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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

If you want to know more about it, search for "Davions Calea FAQ".

I tried it myself, didnīt work.Still I think it is a very promising plant, but it isnīt very reliable.Either it only works for certain people, or only at certain days, or (as mention by members in here) there is really an active and an inactive calea plant.
Donīt know what it is, but itīs worth trying.Perhaps I only used it at too small dosage, since I couldnīt bring myself to drink more than one glass of the tea.Itīs the bitterst thing I ever tasted, in fact, it know seems to me that I didnīt even knew the meaning of the word bitter before I tried calea tea...


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

I actually bought an extract of the plant(10x) and comes in a powder form, im planning on putting the powder inside gel capsules for better ingestion.I ll soon post if i got any results.

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

Yeah I have tried Calea and it works. You can read my post here:

http://www.ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1204

Just recently I tried also smoking Calea, boy was it strong. Not so much strong concerning my dreams, but the smoke had potency to it. I'm do not smoke anymore so I felt the effects rather heavily. I did have dreams my first time smoking it before bed. A rather strong herb to smoke. I noticed no effects from taking Calea pills. Interesting. That is how I hear the natives did it, drink some tea then smoke a light cigarette of Calea before bed.

As a side note, I think I may have to try boiling some Calea. There is something strange and eerily potent about tonics such as tea, or even steeped, or brewed drugs. And I have heard some good things about strong Calea tea. Any other stories out there?

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PostPosted: Sun 12 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

Didn't work:( I took at first one pill and smoked some i went to sleep with no results, the next night i took 2 pills but still didn't get any good results.I think that calea might work by ingesting large quantities, i dont know, thats my best guess.

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

Did you only try Calea for 2 nights?

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

yes i only used it for 2 nights thats how much i had.

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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

My most recent research is pointing to a scenario in which there are two (or more) alkaloids, not just one, in c.z. that make the plant effective for lucid dreaming. One alkaloid, or set of alkaloids, is water soluble. The other isn't, and must be extracted via burning or some other method. To get an outrageous effect you would have to drink a lot of the tea and smoke some of the dried material thereafter. I have pretty cool effects from just the tea, but I'm pretty sensitive to the plant.

Another interesting thing to note is that the effects of the plant come on more quickly if used sublingually, or if chewed.... but it tastes HORRIBLE that way as you can imagine.

One really odd thing I've noticed is that the aweful taste isn't quite as aweful as it used to be.. or perhaps I've just gotten used to it. I can drink it, and then afterward I actually appreciate the aftertaste - not for the flavor, but because I know the effects are going to be nice.



Regardless of what method you use, you can't be conservative with C.Z. You have to use keep drinking the tea or smoking the bowl or popping the pills until you start to get the effects. That's the ONLY reason I don't really think the pills are the BEST method.

Think of it like this.. if you were to smoke a bowl of weed you wouldn't take one hit, have no effects, and just say.. "I'll wait a few minutes to see if anything happens." You smoke until you feel it.

If you treat C.Z. that way you'll get much better results.


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PostPosted: Tue 14 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

Yeah Davion that makes complete sense, two or more alkaloids and them being either water soluble, or the other being burnt. Being water-soluble is special for many drugs, pharmaceuticals, herbs, etc. It would be great if scientists could single out these alkaloids or compounds then this would allow us to really concentrate the substance and get tremendous effects! It would also be quite interesting to find out what it is that makes Calea function. Then other similar drugs may be found to be closely related.
Yes it also seems some people are particularly sensitive to Calea. I am sensitive to it, not extremely so, and I am impressed with Mazatecs 10X pills. I have dreamed every night for over two weeks, this is unusual for me. I have taken the pills for all but 2 of those days. My above post has a wrong sentence in it.

I wouldn't mind smoking Calea if it wasn’t so strong, maybe I will try a quick toke or two before bed. I tried smoking Calea only once and it seemed to work but I need to try it more or a definite conclusion. And I have not tried brewing Calea Tea, although I have some bulk Calea and I will try this. Davion can you give me some pointers on how much Calea to brew?

I have not tried an extreme amount of Calea. Could be interesting. What I do like about the pills is I don't feel any effects, when I wake up NODDA. I will have to test the tea. With smoking, I felt the effects mostly in my lungs, smoke.

TWIPS, maybe try what Davion says. Alternatively, just try a different product. I have personally used some bunk Calea.


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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

That makes PERFECT sense, Davion, and thank you for posting. I've read your Erowid reports on calea z and I wouldn't mind hearing what else you know about this fascinating plant.

My experience with calea z has mainly with the 10:1 Mazatec pills. I did smoke a calea cigarette the first time in addition to the capsules, and didn't quite "break through," besides getting a slight leg cramp and a faint buzz while drifting off to sleep. The one time (out of five attempts thus far) I did remember any sort of effect was when I had taken a single capsule by with some tea containing a small amount of melatonin and valerian. The dreams were undoubtedly un-melatonin-like and incredible in general. But a week later I tried the same experiment with two capsules and nothing happened.

I haven't given up on it yet, but I now have a general idea of where to go from here...thank you again.


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PostPosted: Wed 22 Jan, 2003  Reply with quote

I think the biggest differences between the way we use C.Z. and the way the Chontal tribals used it are...

1.) They always drank the tea then smoked some of the stuff.

2.) They always used a LOT more than we do. By all accounts they were using about 10-15 grams per dose. We use about 1-3 grams per dose.

For me, 1-3 grams is fine. But draw your own conclusions as you consider these facts.


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Mar, 2003  Reply with quote

I recently bought 30g Calea. I made a tea using 2g of the herb and tried to drink the brew. The taste was so horrible....there are no words to describe this nasty stuff!

Anyway, I got a strange body feeling....in fact, It was hard for me to walk. I did not expect such a strong effect. I took 0.5g cannabis the day before with much lower effects....

Unfortunately, the stuff had no effect on my dreams...sadblauw


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PostPosted: Sat 29 Mar, 2003  Reply with quote

Hey, you are from germany, right?
Iīd be interested where you bought that stuff, since there were some speculations on active and inactive plants around.
How much water did you use with the 2g?

I didnīt think that anyone could have such heavy effects from calea in waking state...
I did hardly feel anything.Well, I did, but after practicing lucid living for some time I am now very good at placebo effects wink5

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PostPosted: Sat 29 Mar, 2003  Reply with quote

I got it from head&nature:

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I boiled the herb in a small teacup of water smile
I definatly felt an effect....no placebo wink5


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