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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

What are everyones views on psychokinesis?(could also be called telekinesis)

I think it is possible, after viewing a site relating to it.


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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

It's a tough topic to investigate. Depending on your belief system, some would demand that in order for a phenomenon to be proven and accepted, it has to be observed an in official capacity at least once. Now, amateur videos and word-of-mouth aside, itís generally appreciated among the scientific community (uh oh, the ďSĒ word!) that no such demonstration has ever been witnessed in an appropriate environment, and under conditions that would highlight any apparent success while removing other potential explanations. I.e: a laboratory.

Of course, we can still speculate on the possibility of telekinesis being a viable ability if we consider it on a theoretical level. For example, in chemistry, we donít necessarily need to witness how two substances react to each other in order to work out what would undoubtedly happen if we went ahead and tried it. All we need to do is learn the rules that the universe employs to calculate such an event, and then we can perform the calculations ourselves without ever needing to see it happen in the real world. And we know a lot of these rules, so we can predict the outcome of pretty much any physical event.

Getting to the point, I do not believe (at this stage) that any of these observable rules allow for the results we would expect to see if someone was genuinely moving objects with their mind. Thereís just no mechanism in place to allow for it. If an object moves, then something has to have moved it. Something has to exert the force necessary to overcome the objectís weight and friction, and I canít see a source that would generate this power. If you can move a pencil without having to exert physical energy onto it, then why not move a whole star system? Breaking physics is breaking physics, scale is irrelevant.

Anyway, this is a strictly scientific approach to the problem, and if you subscribe to any kind of spiritual beliefs, then donít take it too seriously. wink

Oh, and could you post a link to this website that seems to have influenced your opinion on the topic? Iíd be interested to see it.

(I renamed the topic to be a little more meaningful - hope you don't mind).


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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

Thanks the new name makes sense. I just see telekinesis as an improper term, but I knew it was the only way some people might understand what I was trying to convey.

the sites are www.psipog.com and www.ppsociety.com

Even if some people on the forum can't be trusted, but even I couldn't know that, but I believe they are observing something that should be looked at more. One kid did an exeriment with a blind girl and a psiwheel under a glass cup. He said he didn't tell her about the cup and she started doing it. He said his focus was to demonstrate how the only limitation on it is our own limitations set by ourselves. And one guy was talking about his theory and what he has been writing. It sounded pretty logical, but I think that was ppsociety. And their forums need a screening process for members, and mine still says 'pending'. I say check it out and make your own decisions.


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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

I would say its true. I can bend a spoon using only my hands! But seriously, the avrage human being uses about 5 percent of their brain, telekinesis could be possible, if only you could use that extra potential in your brain. I think everyone is born with potential. whether they use it is a different matter.


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Re: Your views on psychokinesis/telekinesis
PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

JesseRevis wrote:
What are everyones views on psychokinesis?(could also be called telekinesis)

I think it is possible, after viewing a site relating to it.


I don't believe it's possible. Maybe in fifty years or so they might be able to hook up a computer or robot with someone's brain signals and move things around with the computer, but telekinesis alone... no way.


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PostPosted: Tue 01 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

I don't believe it's possible. I've seen a lot of claims on the Internet that people can do it, and surprise! They don't give any proof of their claims
Being an amateur magician, I am also well aware of a lot of the effects used to do levitation and telekinesis illusions, and most claims of these phenomenon can be debunked because they use the same effects that magicians use (except magicians do it for fun, they don't claim to have powers).
And like Atheist said, breaking the laws of physics is breaking the laws of physics. If you can move a pencil with your mind, why not put on a cape and some tights and go fight crime instead of sitting in your room moving pencils around?

Also, we do use all of our brains. Our brains aren't just for thinking after all, they also regulate all of our bodily functions and unconscious processes. I doubt that there is some yet unlocked part of our brain that can move pencils through the power of the mind, we'd know about it by now. The 10% of our brain myth is really more of an analogy on how people think, rather than a medical fact.


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PostPosted: Thu 03 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

I believe it is possible. Ater all, i believe in ghosts, so why not?


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Re: Your views on psychokinesis/telekinesis
PostPosted: Fri 04 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

[quote="Stormthunder"]
JesseRevis wrote:
I don't believe it's possible. Maybe in fifty years or so they might be able to hook up a computer or robot with someone's brain signals and move things around with the computer, but telekinesis alone... no way.


I really hope that does not get developed... One malfunction can make it a murder machine! help!

I think that telekinesis is not possible at will, but is possible in some terms. The process is probably very delicate, and concentrating even a little bit too hard screws it up. I've had "experiences" with it, but I'm not sure if it's truly telekinesis or pure coincidence. Here's some examples:

- A few years ago, one kid was making fun of my hair (I think it was because he was insecure about his own...). A little while later, I saw him walking down the hallway, and I made a mental wish "I hope he loses his balance..." A moment later, he stepped on his own shoelace and tripped into a girl who was holding a flower pot made in art class.

- Another time, during a boring English lesson, I decided to step out for a drink of water. As I passed the water fountain, I noticed some guy breaking into a locker. He didn't see me, but I just stood by the fountain, just staring. Right when he propped the locker open, various shelves and pencil boxes came spilling out and made quite a racket. He got caught.

Also, during a World History class, one girl kept bragging about how she didn't need braces and about three-quarters of the class did. She had a stack of books on her desk, and I tried "mentally wishing" like I had that other time. It could have worked, except she stuffed the books under her desk. She got caught chewing gum during class later... not sure if that has something to do with it though.

I know this is evidence is like "meh... don't believe it..." and I'm not sure I do either. I just thought it was interesting smile


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

I do believe that it is real and possible after all I have seen and done it myself. I donít care if anyone believes me or not all that matters is what I see myself doing and thatís enough for me. So far I have only been able to rotate the psi wheel for about a minute counter clockwise, clockwise seems to be more difficult to do. hopefully ill move up to toothpicks sometime. If you want to learn how to do it I recommend psipog.net and read everything they have to say about it. People who donít think its possible donít even try. A big obstacle to success in this area is learning to accept the fact that it is possible. Also you need a lot of patience because it can take a while before you see any results. Good luck!

As far as the laws of physics go, those laws are created to outline things that we humans understand. I believe the whole topic of psi is something that is only beginning to be uncovered by humans and only a hand full at that. There are really no permanent laws in science, just temporary sets of rules that are broken when new discoveries are found


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

Heres a little something to think about. People say that Telekinesis is impossible because of the laws of physics. Well, rules were made to be broken, right? And laws are simply rules governing the way of life. So if rules were made to be broken, then so were laws, and so were the laws of physics.


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

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People say that Telekinesis is impossible because of the laws of physics.

Yes but those people tend to forget the laws of quantum physics, which are rather curious. wink


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

HebrewB wrote:
I would say its true. I can bend a spoon using only my hands! But seriously, the avrage human being uses about 5 percent of their brain, telekinesis could be possible, if only you could use that extra potential in your brain. I think everyone is born with potential. whether they use it is a different matter.


This isn't true, it's actually a myth that caught on. As far as I know every part of the brain has a known use and function. According to wikipedia, it's a misconception most likely arose from a misunderstanding (or misrepresentation in an advertisement) of neurological research in the late 1800s or early 1900s when researchers discovered that only about 10% of the neurons in the brain are firing at any given time. If all your neurons were to fire at once, it would cause a seizure.

Psychics still use this claim to support their views that the remaining 90% of our brain can be used for things like telekenesis.. which is false, since we use all of our brain.

But in my oppinion.. I don't think it's possible. In this day and age, with cameras everywhere.. why is there no proof? It takes one person to come forward to prove it. Since no one has.. I think that's proof enough that it isn't possible. But maybe some day if our brains are advanced enough it could be possible!


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

HebrewB wrote:
Well, rules were made to be broken, right?


Of course not. That's just something rebellious people say because they're trying to be a smart-a*s. Rules were made to be followed, so that society can be structured and functional without utter chaos taking over.


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

But in my oppinion.. I don't think it's possible. In this day and age, with cameras everywhere.. why is there no proof? It takes one person to come forward to prove it. Since no one has.. I think that's proof enough that it isn't possible. But maybe some day if our brains are advanced enough it could be possible![/quote]

your right there are cameras but if you saw it on a camera there is no way to be able to tell if the person is acually doing it or not. search you tube and you can find a couple vidoes of the psi wheel and also on psipog they have a multi media section with a couple videos that you can watch. keep in mind most videos are used as training tools and not really to prove it to the skeptics.


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PostPosted: Mon 07 Aug, 2006  Reply with quote

but it's just as easy to do it in a controlled environment with scientists and cameras etc smile

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