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AstareGod
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unlucky number 13 :)
PostPosted: Sun 17 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

hey everyone... I just had a revelation. You know when you were a kid and they taught you the multiplication tables? Well, I learned how to multiply every number up until 12, and I never learned the 13s.

Guess what? The number 13 is a very important number in Dreamspell and 13 moon calendar:
- there are 13 moons in a year
- there are 52 weeks in a year (13 moons x 4 weeks/moon = 52 weeks)
- there are 13 days in a wavespell
- there are 20 wavespells in the Harmonic Module (13 tones x 20 wavespells = 260 Galactic Signatures)
- There are 364 days (+1 day out of time) in a year (13 days x 28 days/moon + 1 day = 365 days)

there are probably a lot more things that relate to 13 than I've listed... come on people, point out a few! Let's lobby to get the number 13 back in the multiplication table!!! It's really important to seeing the math in all of this smile


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

sorry to spoil your new insight into the world of the number 13, but were not these facts already well-known across the dreaming community?

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

well I was just pointing out that 13 was an important part of Dreamspell and the Harmonic Module, and I was pointing out a subtle fact that they do not teach us the 13 multipliction tables, which hinders our ability to see the patterns in the 13 moon calendar.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

i was only taught the tables until 10 -- but indeed the more progessive clasesses got it until 12. You are right, it would be more easy if you have that 13 table etched in your mind.

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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

AstareGod wrote:
well I was just pointing out that 13 was an important part of Dreamspell and the Harmonic Module, and I was pointing out a subtle fact that they do not teach us the 13 multipliction tables, which hinders our ability to see the patterns in the 13 moon calendar.

Oh, I see. Yes, 12 is a strange number to stop at. I doubt that the new standard will become 13 any time soon, however... overspannen


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PostPosted: Wed 20 Apr, 2005  Reply with quote

well let's say that i was born the 13th day of May. That explains my "bad luck".

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

No. I don't think 13 is a bad number. I use it often, especially when I sign with just my first name.

Someone just had too much time on their hands and decided to give 13 the crappy end of the stick


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

The number 13 was denounced by the Church after the creation of the Gregorian calendar. Scan the topic "On the road to 2012" in the Dreamspell forum. I was going to quote the exact part but I am too tired and lazy w/ On-Screen Keyboard...

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

A few reasons for 13 being unlucky in the West (and its association with Friday):

Generally 12 is considered a divine or perfect number (12 tribes of Israel, 12 apostles, 12 months in Gregorian and Islamic calendar, 12 musical pitches to octave...) and so 13 is the first number to deviate from perfection.

The Norse myth of 12 gods having a feast and the 13th uninvitied guest, Loki, arranged for Hod (blind god of darkness) to shoot and kill Baldur (god of joy and gladness) with an arrow, thus plunging the Earth into darkness and mourning.

There were 13 people at the Last Supper and Jesus was crucified on Good Friday.

The grand master of the Knights Templar (knights during crusades who helped defend the new Kingdom of Jerusalem against Muslims) along with all the other members in France were arrested and tortured (only later to 'confess' and then be executed) by Philip the Fair on Friday the 13th because of his jealousy for their banking power.


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

Wow... very informative and interesting

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

In Norse magic the number 13 is very lucky, and represents the vertical force in the universe created by polarity. The Astral, heavenly yang force meeting the dark, earthly yin force. It is immediate movement in action, as a part of the whole or cyclic energy.

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

bier Finally, some good news on number 13.

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jun, 2005  Reply with quote

13 cards in a suit...

(That's all I can think of.)


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playing cards as calendar
PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Alvin wrote:
13 cards in a suit...

(That's all I can think of.)


yes, in fact the playing cards are actually our calendar. Here's some fascinating links:
This was taken from here: src1
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Playing Cards as a Calendar?
What do you make of this?


What do you make of this?

Robert Camp explains:

"Many people have never stopped to wonder about the many interesting
things associated with our common playing cards. Why for instance,
are there fifty-two cards in a deck? Why four Suits?

What do these suits represent, if anything?

Where did the playing cards come from?

I would like to share with you some interesting connections
that our cards have with our world
and reveal to you why they are actually a calender that is intimately
connected to our life here on Earth.

The Deck of Cards is Our Calendar

"Let's examine some of the things our little deck and calendar
have in common.

First of all, as I just mentioned there are four suits of thirteen
cards each, totally fifty-two cards, plus a Joker.

Let's begin with the number 52. What else is their fifty-two of that
is common knowledge?

Well, there are fifty-two weeks in a year.

Now, in numerology, we reduce numbers by adding their digits.
If we reduce the number 52, we get 5 +2=7--the number of days in a week,
and the number of visible planets.

Seven is a very magical number in many ways and is considered
the most spiritual number.

IT is also used extensively in many mystical traditions, including the Bible.

Fascinating, isn't it?

We can imagine that sometime in our ancient past, man discovered
that a full year comprised something in the neighborhood of 365 days and nights.

Looking into the heavens, they also noticedthe sun, moon, and five other visible
'objects' that we now know are planets circling our sun.

Taking their combined number 7, and dividing the nubmer of days in a year by it, they cmae up with fifty[two cycles in a year that we now call weeks.

The wise ones realized that this number had much more
signficance and used these simple facts as a springboard for more advanced study.

Once again, taking the numerology of the cards, we assign numberic values
to each of the cards.

The Aces are 1, the Two, 3, and so forth until we get to the Jack.

The Jack is given the value of 11, the Queen 12, and the King 13.

Now, if we add up all the number values of every card in the deck, what do you guess will be the result?

This means four times thirteen for the four Kings plus
four times twelve for the four Queens, etc.

What would be the resulting total of every care in the deck?

Did you guess 365?

Well, that's pretty close.

The total actually comes to 364.

We know that there are 365 and 1/4 days in a year,
so what happened and so what happens to the other
day and 1/4?

There is also another card in the deck that we haven't
counted yet, and that is the Joker.

And guess what?

The Joker's value is exactly that of one and one quarter,
which brings the total value of the deck of cards
to exactly equal the number of days in a year..."


From "The Book of Destiny"

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Here is another site of interest about the Metasymbology of Playing cards. This site also expands on the connection to the Planets - and to me that is the connection to Astrology. But back to the Calendar, look at this page about the Pips.
[the following copied from that link]
"

Pips are the spots on the Cards - their numerical value. The numerical value of the deck reads like a calendar.


+4 seasons = 4 suits
12 months = 12 face cards
13 new moons per year = 13 cards per suit
52 weeks in the year = 52 cards
++5
++2
++7 X 52 = 364 days of year with the Joker, given a value of 1 and 1/4, taking up the remnant of days...
And our 7 major planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune) are used in charting the cards for a reading."

--- What is most interesting that I found in this site, was that it says the Playing Cards actually came BEFORE the Tarot deck (< - - click to read), whereas I had been led to believe the opposite. (and the following sites support that original assertion, but do not state any actual sources, so I am led to believe they are incorrect.)

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and More things tying it all together on this site: Tarot Primer

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Here's a site to use playing card for Divination, and also provides more explanations of the meanings behind the cards.Divination link


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Happy Friday the 13th!
PostPosted: Fri 13 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

p.s. Happy Friday the 13th!
I have always felt 13 was a LUCKY rather than Unlucky number - at least for me. But i also own a black cat, so i can't be that superstitious.


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