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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

I still havent read the book (drew the page QUICKLY down to he bottom wink5 )

But guys! 0.0 Youre ALREADY at the 2nd thread discussing lach1


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Well, after reading all of Bruno's post, I was once again reminded that compared to him, I'm really no more than some stupid American with no sense of culture, and a clear lack of literary knowledge. I'm only posting in this thread because after years of Potter neglect, this was the summer that I finally turned back to the series: I bought the sixth book only days before the release of the seventh (having not read it yet, but taking my time to reread the fifth, which gave me several backaches for some reason), finished it last night, and scurried off to get the seventh like a good little mindless ghoul. grin I didn't really care about the few little spoilers, I don't think I'll be scarred for life, but you can never be so sure about such serious matters. no

As a sidenote, I was a bit teary eyed after reading Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince; I was best off locked in my room weeping into my pillow, but I recovered...you're not reading this, are you?


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PostPosted: Sat 28 Jul, 2007  Reply with quote

Sonia wrote:
Well, after reading all of Bruno's post, I was once again reminded that compared to him, I'm really no more than some stupid American with no sense of culture, and a clear lack of literary knowledge.

Don't you say that!

I read your size one and, if you ask me, I'll tell you this: I quite admire someone who can cry with a book or a movie, actually. In my opinion, it's the people who say "pshh, that's just a {book, movie}, pull yourself together" who should be glared upon; or rather, pitied: they can't experience the nicest thing about arts, which is feeling it.


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Dumbledore is gay!
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm impressed really. I think its good that there's a gay character in such a world wide sensation. I'm not gay but I think it will help with acceptance in younger people about homosexuality Go on JK is what I say smile

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

Yes, I agree. I think it's great to add a gay character into such a huge series. Now any homophobic fans of the books will think twice about their hate, if there are any.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

I'm suprised.. well.. because I grew up with the guy. After reading the Harry Potter books for several years since I was nine years old it just comes as a shock to suddenly learn that one of the characters was suppose to have a sexual orientation. Its good they have a gay character in the book... though I was always thinking it would be Ron.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

Wow, Dumbledor is gay? I was never really a fan of harry potter, so it doesnt effect me but its still surprising.


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

what the??? My post got deleted for some reason!!

oh well

I said 'woo' pretty much.


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

I loved reading that press release.
I think it is kind of her way of sticking it to the people against her book.
Plus, there is somebody that everybody (well most everybody if you include the last book) respects that is homosexual. I think that is a good thing for younger children who are not yet socialized into thinking that it is a bad thing (which happens to the majority of the youth).


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

I think it was brilliant! tounge2 Dumbledore is gay.... Ofcourse... And he "liked" Grindewald- Ofcourse....

I'm a bit chocked.... Ofcourse..... But in a good way.... Ofcourse.

GO ROWLING!!!! WOHO!


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

Well, when it comes to harry potter, I really feel that it went downhill. I started reading it years ago when the 1st-4th books came out, and I was basically entertained. As the books progressed though, it started to lose it's luster. I barely survived reading the fifth book, and waited a while before undertaking another book. So after a while I decided 'well, everyone is hyping this thing, so I might as well take another look, maybe it will be better'. Man, was I sadly mistaken, the sixth book was so full of drama, whining, teen angst, and all the rest of that kind of crap. Really, I'm trying to read a fantasy novel about witches and wizards, not 'chicken soup for the teenage (wizard) soul'. I mean, once you get into the book, you have to wade through a couple hundred pages of this mindless prattle..In the end, I never finished this book, far from it, in fact(maybe made it to 200, or so).

I have to agree with what Alvin said earlier, there are probably much better fantasy novels on the market, living in Harry Potter's shadow, but none of them get a second of the media coverage. So they flounder, despite superior storytelling, and we get an over-hyped, cliche, drama-filled, nearly mediocre novel.

Now maybe I'm being too harsh here, but I think this book had plenty of potential to be great, yet the opportunity was squandered. Allow me to explain:

First of all, the concept was good, the main character was likable, and I'm sure plenty of teens and pre-teens could relate(this is good). Along the way harry acquires enemies and a band of loyal friends in his journey to save the world from Voldermort(a little overused, but workable nonetheless). The real problem is that only a few of the characters get the proper amount of attention and character development. Everyone else, well...they don't get jack(bad for longevity). Also, the story doesn't really take the genre in a different direction, it's just the same old recycled plot about the innocent kid destined to save the world from his evil arch nemesis(wow, that plot hasn't been done a million times already). During his journey, our hero will seek to be good yet be tempted by evil and have to walk a fine line between the two. Ultimately, he will lose a few friends, yet will still save the world, get the girl, and have a cliche ending that ties up all the other under-developed character's loose ends...I mean, this formula has already been beaten to death. Couldn't we see any original concepts, maybe a twist? Also, what is the deal with the muggles? None of them ever notice this kind of shit going on around them? They really never see owls carrying messages, or kids flying around on brooms, or a million other things? Perhaps they should have said, OK the wizard world is another dimension, one that is on the same plane as the muggle world and occasionally overlaps(and maybe magic doesn't work in the muggle world). See? That wasn't hard, yet it would open up all kinds of what-if scenarios. Or maybe, McGonigal has always been working for the death eaters(there's a twist for ya).

The other problem I have with this series is that EVERYTHING(and I mean everything) happens to Harry Potter. The entire universe, heavens and all that inhabits the two revolves around Harry. I mean, if I were a student at Hogwarts, I would be thinking "Well, I'm starting another year here, I wonder what kind of weird shit is going to happen. I bet it will involve Harry Potter. Man, that guy should have a newspaper devoted entirely to him." Why can't another character have anything interesting going on, what about Ron? His only purpose is to be the comic relief(as someone mentioned), and play the token bumbling sidekick. Then you have Hermione, the bookworm(ooh, clever JK, very clever). Why can't she have anything special going on, she just exists to play the clever, down-to-earth, never-noticed-how-attractive-she-really-was bookworm stereotype. Dump on a heaping, steaming pile of drama, and you have Harry Potter. yuck

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Whew, sorry for that rant, but I think you get the point(haha I could go on all day complaining about Harry Potter). tounge1


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

I bet you loved the last book Rad.

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PostPosted: Sun 21 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

I've never been a Harry Potter fan, but I do have the first four or five books in the series. I don't want to read them though.

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Oct, 2007  Reply with quote

haha Mohegan, you make a lot of sense in a way. I have to say that the whole Dumbeldore is gay thing is really stupid. I mean why is everyone making such a big deal out of it! He's just a character! And I don't think it will help homophoic people to get past their fear , I mean we don't look at the characters in terms of their sexual orientation, just simply their personalities.

So Dumbeldore could be a transexual for all I care, the matter of the fact is, he was the headmaster at hogwarts and wanted to do the right thing and help potter, blah blah blah.


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