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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

@shatterspike1: Probably because most open-minded people know that they would just be getting themselves into a losing argument, by voicing their opinion.

With some people, there is just no spark to ignite. When I think I'm dealing with someone like that, I don't even waste my time. I feel pitty for them, but leave them to their miserable existence.

EDIT: Oh, and to stay on topic: I don't think any of us are assigned a gender at our core. Once we are released from this hormone/chemical stricken body, we are simply ourselves. I can't fault anyone for thinking that they might be more comfortable in another role. I'm sure it is not a conscious decision for them.

@Bonaparte1812: Imagine you are stuck working at a gas station to make a living, but deep down inside, you know you really want to be an artist. Does that mean that wanting to be an artist is a defect, or wrong? Should the individual not dislike their job behind the counter?

Poor analogy, I know. Best I could come up with for you.


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Bonaparte1812 wrote:
i don't think its alright. It's a defect.


In a sense you are correct, Bonerparte. Transexualism means that your brain is wired as one gender, but your physical body is another. So one might consider it a defect, a psychological and/or physical problem, but why is it wrong? I assume you find it moral and OK to have "defects" like depression and schizophrenea, so why not transexualism?
Recent theory is now proporting that transexualism has biological roots. Many of the psychological causes put forward by the scientific community have failed to be applied to a majority, or even a sizeable minority, of transexual individuals. Some evidence for the biological roots of transexualism lies in individuals who were sexually reassigned at birth, due to genital complications(now if those two words don't rouse your inner junior high student, I don't know what will), who experience gender dysphoria and transexualism. A study done in 1997, which can be found here, shows that transexuals display a neuron density in the central subdivision of the Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis region (BSTc), similar to members of their target gender. Another study, found here, shows that prior to having hormone therapy, a transexual has a brain structure matching that of their genetic sex. Several animal studies have demonstrated that exposure to cross-sex hormones during certain stages of fetal development can reliably produce cross-sex behaviors in animals. And really, I could go on and on. But I won't, I'll wrap up the science mumbo-jumbo and direct a question in Bonaparte's general direction - what is so wrong about having a condition that you did nothing to cause, and taking measures such as cross dressing and sexual reassignment surgery, to help them feel better about it?




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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Quote by DayLight
I assume you find it moral and OK to have "defects" like depression and schizophrenea, so why not transexualism?

I don't think depression and schizophrenea are okay, i think that they should be dealt with appropriatly.


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Oh and by the way, I didn't read past the quote i used. sorry

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Wyvern wrote:
I want to know how people feel about transexuals and transexuality. (People who hate their gender, cross dressers, and changing their genders.)

How I feel ...

crossdressers .. perfectly fine but it is ideal if they can be open with their partners

actually changing gender surgically .. also ok with it ..... but I have a niggling doubt when you hear about the males who change gender quite late on in life after being in the army or navy and being married and raising children. At the back of my mind is the thought if they were really in the wrong body they wouldn't have been able to do this since it would have been so alien to them. and so feel this is due to their thinking different genders are totally different and so letting stereotyping affect them

living or occasionally acting as the opposite gender .. also ok but honesty with partners is really important



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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Bonaparte1812 wrote:
I don't think depression and schizophrenea are okay, i think that they should be dealt with appropriatly.


In the first post you made in this thread, when you said "i don't think it's alright", did you mean that it's not alright as in transexuality is immoral, or it's not alright as in transexuality should be treated?


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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

My 2 cents...

It's not the way it's supposed to be (otherwise there would be no distress), but since it was not a choice in the first place, anyone whose sexual matters aren't "the usual" should be left in peace.

Morality is beyond the point too, because of the above reason.




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PostPosted: Sat 11 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

DayLight wrote:
Bonaparte1812 wrote:
I don't think depression and schizophrenea are okay, i think that they should be dealt with appropriatly.


In the first post you made in this thread, when you said "i don't think it's alright", did you mean that it's not alright as in transexuality is immoral, or it's not alright as in transexuality should be treated?


That's exactly what I was thinking. I mean, the treatment for transexuality IS to get the sex change. Of course, before that you have to go to therapy for awhile and take some test to see if you really want this and you're not just confused.


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

I find transexsualy a interesting event, but it would be better to not exist since people suffer from it. I do not think it is wrong and am happy there are possibilities like operations for the people who would be happy with those kind of possibilities.

As for me, I have no problems with my gender. However, for some reason, people I meet on the internet often think I am a girl.


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Wyvern wrote:
Not to mention it's way harder to "come out of the closet" too because transexuality isn't as accept as homosexuality. sadblauw
It's strange that people won't stretch themselves to understand both conditions. I guess it's a numbers thing - Whichever is more of a minority will get the least understanding. I hate how society is like that sadblauw

Anyway, I'm fine with transexualty and all gender issues. I wish people happiness who are going through something like this. It would be very odd if nature produced complete females and males all the time. It makes sense that people can be born with different percentages of one sex or the other. So obviously the amount is going to affect whether you will be hetrosexual, homosexual, transexual etc.

Myself, I'm hetrosexual. But I've had thoughts like 'It would be nice to be male just so that i could hang around with boys more'. I share so many interests with them especially in music, film, books. Girls rarely make me laugh, but i haven't met a lot of people.

I'll have to stop writing this for now as its late. clock Probably add more another time


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

shatterspike1 wrote:
Isn't anyone on this forum (besides me) comfortable in their current gender? I mean, I kinda expected wyvern to make a topic like this, but this kind of response, is, well, unexpected...


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I mean, everyone that replied to this so far seemed to say they had wyvern's troubles. Isn't that just a little odd?


I'm comfortable with my gender...

I guess my post was misleading. ^^


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

<mod>comments about bonaparte removed moogle </mod>

Back on topic, I could never say to a transexual that i understand his pain, or that he's not trying hard enough to be satisfied with their gender. I could only sympathise with the person that he is feeling sad or uncomfortable himself. While i don't agree with all the labels that some people have; i may not understand or approve of homosexuality, religion, etc, in the end i treat a person as a person, without labels or prejudice.


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

Wow, that Bonaparte guy really derailed this topic...he's a troll, plain and simple. I have never heard first hand a person being that ridiculously hateful towards a group of people before. It's so over the top, that it's pretty funny.

<mod>All the troll posts by Bonaparte and the off topic replies have now been removed moogle </mod>

To be perfectly honest, I would prefer to be a woman over being a man. I am a guy, though, and I will just play the hand that I was dealt. The whole idea of getting surgery to change my sex just really seems unnatural to me, though. Like, I would rather be a true guy than a surgically altered woman. It just seems really unnatural to me. Interestingly, I remember hearing a stat that the majority of men who change to become women, most of them don't get the final surgery replacing the penis with a vagina. Like, I think the stat said 1% go through with the procedure, or some other really low stat.


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

for better or worse transexuallity to me is a mental health problem. if a man wants to be another gender there is something wrong mentally with him regardless of what people may think.

Society for the most part brushs over transexuals but to me they have a mental health problem and needs to be treated as such.


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Aug, 2007  Reply with quote

All the recent posts by Bonaparte and the off topic replies have been removed. We can now get back to having a civilised discussion
For any new members ... remember to respect other members ^^ and trolls won't be tolerated here



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