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| SRV73 wrote: |
The secrets to enter the dream world by SP are :
- don't panick (the most difficult),
- don't care about your physical body,
- don't struggle,
- think only of entering the dream world
- if the vibrations are there through your body, let them "act". |
That is what I did when I had my first WILD a few nights ago. I felt SP, and it was just a vibration throughout my body. It was a bit frightening at how realistic it was (I never had SP before, so I wouldn't know the feeling) but then I got logical and told myself that this isn't actually real and I'm not really vibrating, it's just all in my head. So I just relaxed and waited for it to be over. Besides, if you're really determined to have a LD, then wait, because if you do and ignore the SP, then your reward will be a lucid dream! Surely your desire to have one is more stronger than a fear of SP?  Maybe if it will help, you can imagine what you would do in a lucid dream (ie. flying, having super powers...) during your SP. Well, you can visualize that and wait until your SP is over.
I'm sorry that your SP is so strong.  My SP was very easy and small compared to yours. My heartrate didn't even go up, and all I felt is a slight vibration and numbness. But good luck, hopefully you'll try WILDing again soon. You can report what would happen here and perhaps we can help you with any other problems you have.  Just be skeptical about it! Scoff at the idea of being scared by something that isn't even real!
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And here's one more guy who just had his first SP experience.
I drank a bottle of water last evening to make sure I'd wake up a few hours later and got to bed. I immediately started to WILD, but in the evening I always just fall asleep without noticing... 
Luckily, the water did its job. I woke up 3 hours later...  After going back to bed and WILDing for some time I finally experienced that unexpected, strong, strange vibration all over my body... And now I know what you guys talk about all the time... My conclusion: If you have to ask whether you experienced SP, the answer is you didn't. If you experience it, you know...
Although I know what it was and I thus wasn't afraid of it, the vibration woke me up... Stupid me! But anyway, I consider this a major success on my Pathway to Lucidity. Can't wait for further experiments tonight!
Just two things were a little bit strange:
1. I had the feeling that the vibrations "were trying to shake my eyes open". It took some effort to keep them closed. Do you know what I mean?
2. I didn't have any HI during SP. Maybe it's because the experience caught me off guard. But if it stays like that, in my first LD I will enter a dark, black room and be all alone...  I'm having some problems with HI anyway, although I try to visualize different stuff...
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| joe wrote: |
My conclusion: If you have to ask whether you experienced SP, the answer is you didn't. If you experience it, you know...
1. I had the feeling that the vibrations "were trying to shake my eyes open". It took some effort to keep them closed. Do you know what I mean?
2. I didn't have any HI during SP. Maybe it's because the experience caught me off guard. But if it stays like that, in my first LD I will enter a dark, black room and be all alone... I'm having some problems with HI anyway, although I try to visualize different stuff... |
Yeah I like your conclusion, if you experience a SP, you know it, period... otherwise, you're gonna wonder whether it was a SP or not.
1 : Well, having your eyes open during SP isn't a problem, but you may start seeing scary things in your room. But I never heard of someone whose the experience of SP was making them open their eyes. It's not a big deal, I think... We shall see in the future what's gonna happen.
2 : I, for instance, don't have HI during SP (or very rarely), but one time, I tried to use the vibrations to feel like I was riding a bike (if you know what I mean ==> usin the "energy" of the vibrations), and it worked very well. The dream was gonna start when, for some reason, I woke up.
The next time you have SP try opening your eyes, and you may as well see strange forms in your room or you could also hear voices or strange sounds by your ears.
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Consciously entering SP eludes me. I count myself to sleep or I watch my HI and then all of a sudden my heart rate soars and I feel like a big shift is occurring and then.... nothing. My foot is in the threshold but the door shuts.
Any thoughts?
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| Lucid_Sockhat wrote: |
Consciously entering SP eludes me. I count myself to sleep or I watch my HI and then all of a sudden my heart rate soars and I feel like a big shift is occurring and then.... nothing. My foot is in the threshold but the door shuts.
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Maybe you aren't sleepy enough. For me, "crossing the threshold" -as you say- is very hard when I'm too awake. But in the middle of the night or early in the morning wen I wake up from a dream and I don't move, I can easily enter SP. Nevertheless, entering SP isn't always easy, but I think that being sleepy & aware is one of the keys to do so.
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1 : Well, having your eyes open during SP isn't a problem, but you may start seeing scary things in your room.
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Really?? Wow, that sounds hard-core
I was wondering, if you can't move, can you at least scream at this stage? Or if your eyes are open, do you look terrified? I am worried that if I have such an episode and open my eyes, my boyfriend might get even more scared than me
So, does anyone know what a person looks like in SP?
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| SRV73 wrote: |
1 : Well, having your eyes open during SP isn't a problem, but you may start seeing scary things in your room.
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Really?? Wow, that sounds hard-core
I was wondering, if you can't move, can you at least scream at this stage? Or if your eyes are open, do you look terrified? I am worried that if I have such an episode and open my eyes, my boyfriend might get even more scared than me
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Yes, I think that when somebody experiences SP, and if they have their eyes open, it might look scary on the outside. I read something on the internet that said that a grandma experienced SP and her daughter and granddaughter could hear her voice (she was moaning and screaming feebly).
Once, I had a SP, and I was so much frightened that I had both my eyes and my mouth wide open. And I could have sworn they were open in real life. Imagine a paralysed body with a face like that, I must be quite scary on the outside.
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I was wondering if sleep paralysis with hypnagogic hallucinations are a form of ld. I have had these for years in fact I will always have one if I fall asleep on my back. I have had obe for a short instance on these and have tried to somehow control what I was viewing in this dreamlike state. but it always goes haywire and I end up causing something bad to happen or seeing something really frightening. I am hoping that I can learn some techniques to help me because I have had these several times a month for the past fifteen years.
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Wussy me tries to pull the covers over my head when experiencing SP. It never really happens. Well, ONE time my forearms functioned just enough to pull the seemingly 10-ton covers up a few inches. Pathetic. 
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I definitely wake up into sleep paralysis every now and then, and it isn't exactly comfortable. However, I have not experienced any of these vibrations commonly described as part of SP. In fact, I'm usually perfectly conscious when this happens, though frustrated at my lack of mobility. Any advice on channeling this into an LD?
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I definitely wake up into sleep paralysis every now and then, and it isn't exactly comfortable. However, I have not experienced any of these vibrations commonly described as part of SP. In fact, I'm usually perfectly conscious when this happens, though frustrated at my lack of mobility. Any advice on channeling this into an LD? |
Yes, try exiting your body :
- Roll out of your bed,
- Imagine a rope above you, and pull your way out of your body,
- Stay there and imagine a landscape, imagine doing something involving MOST of your 5 senses (riding bike,...).
The first one is incredibly hard, but with time, it shall be OK.
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Really?? Wow, that sounds hard-core
I was wondering, if you can't move, can you at least scream at this stage? Or if your eyes are open, do you look terrified? I am worried that if I have such an episode and open my eyes, my boyfriend might get even more scared than me
So, does anyone know what a person looks like in SP? |
I suffered from some pretty terrible SP for a long time, and some of that time included when I lived with someone else. Almost all of them witnessed me going through HSP at some point, often with my eyes open. They've told me that they can hear me gasping, sometimes just barely gasping their names for help (I also have been known to talk in my sleep... not sure if this is related), but otherwise looking terrified.
Fortunately the nice thing about having someone else in the bed with you (at least for me) is that if you are having bad HSP and your partner happens to be awake, their concerned touch can cause you to immediately wake up. Not so good for LD, but good for breaking out of bad SP.
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| Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 |
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I had my second experience with SP last night. Again, I tried to achieve it when I went to bed without success, and went on when I woke up in the night. The vibrations started, but this time I was prepared! I watched them passivley, and I managed to hold the feeling for a longer time (for about 1 minute).
As with my eyes closed everything was just black, I followed SRV73s advice and opened my eyes a little bit. How cool was that! I could see a flickering deck of cards right in front of me. I closed my eyes again and suddenly found myself standing in a room next to my bedroom. I got excited because I knew I had to be dreaming, so I counted the fingers at my right hand. BUT WHAT THE F***?!?!?! Although they looked a little bit strange, I only saw five fingers! I was confused, and suddenly I found myself lying in the bed being awake for real this time. Couldn't find sleep for an hour then.
An RC in dream that shows me I'm awake? Am I kidding myself? I don't know if I forgot to expect dream results, but that has to be the explanation. Next time I will try different RCs and focus on expecting them to be negative...
Nevertheless, I am pretty lucky today, because I got the feeling I took the next step in my quest for lucidity. Just one strange thing: this whole experience last night NOW feels surreal, almost like it was just a dream. After my first SP I had a clearer memory of the incident.
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Congrats for your second SP!!!
I think that you weren't in a dream at this stage (I may be wrong), that's why the RC didn't work.
Next time, try to visualize a dreamscape or imagine doing things you would do in a dream (fly, jump high, etc,...). Afterwards, try a RC.
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| Posted: Thu 22 Nov, 2007 |
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Wow. I thought I was going loco until I read this thread.
I had all that while trying to WILD and eventually got woken up by an involuntary movement in my leg.
Darn legs.
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