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Lizard King
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PostPosted: Wed 19 Mar, 2008  Reply with quote

That would work better for me anyway. When I initially get into bed, theres no telling when I'll fall asleep. It typically takes over an hour, however when i do WBTB it only takes a few minutes.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Mar, 2008  Reply with quote

hope it works for you! grin

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PostPosted: Mon 31 Mar, 2008  Reply with quote

I bought this product call GalantaMind for $40 at a little nutrition shop not too far away from me. Came with 90 (4mg) capsules.

Stats are:
200mg Choline
4mg Galantamine
100mg Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5)

I'm going to try this tonight and I'll post back tomorrow and tell everyone how it goes. turn3


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PostPosted: Sat 05 Feb, 2011  Reply with quote

and I would say you had some positive results using this. I dont think choline alone will give you any real benifit but the galantamine and the b5 will help increase dream recall and vividness. Take too much and you will make yourself sick though. choline helps boost galantamine so is useful when used as a combination, if taken by its self I think you would only notice a difference i f you have enough galantamine in your system


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PostPosted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011  Reply with quote

Galantamine and Choline definitely worked for me. I really struggled to have lucid dreams until about 2 years ago. I would have 10 LDs in a good year. Then I discovered the the book 'Advanced Lucid Dreaming' and started looking at this method. Now I take them at weekends and get about a 50% hit rate - but on successful nights I might have several different types of dream experience - LDs, OOBEs, visitors etc. I now get about 40 dreams a year but because I know when they are likely, I can plan more for what to do. In this way my LD development is progressing much quicker. I usually sleep for 5 hours and then take the supplements.

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Galantamine = Rx
PostPosted: Sun 24 Jul, 2011  Reply with quote

I'm a board certified doctor of pharmacy and I would love to share some information on galantamine with this forum. First of all, it is a prescription that is written for patients with alzheimer's disease. This brings me to it's properties as a memory booster: it is known as an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, meaning that it blocks the enzyme in the brain responsible for breaking down acetylcholine into it's components: acetate and choline. This results in extremely high levels of acetylcholine in the neuronal synapses and is believed to boost memory. When coupled with a choline supplement this effect is more pronounced. However, this Rx rarely works for alzheimer's sufferers and merely slows the progression of their disease. In terms of lucid dreaming, nightmares and intense "realistic" dreams are some of the side effects that I counsel my patient's families to watch out for when giving this drug to their loved ones. This not a placebo effect and has very real cognitive and biochemical effects. I do not endorse taking this recreationally for the purpose of lucid dreaming and I would strive to achieve a lucid state naturally, but that does not mean that galantamine coupled with choline is inherently harmful. You know your bodies better than anyone else so you all should be cognizant of any effects or changes that may occur.

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PostPosted: Mon 25 Jul, 2011  Reply with quote

I think some supplements can be help you start your journey towards Ld because, if you have almost 0 recall, some kind of boost can help you remember your dreams and write then down later, in the purpose of traingin your brain to remember the dreams more often. It's like a supplement when you go to the gyn. Only the pills don't help, but the pills + exercise helps more than only the exercise.

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Re: Galantamine = Rx
PostPosted: Mon 25 Jul, 2011  Reply with quote

docod44 wrote:
I'm a board certified doctor of pharmacy and I would love to share some information on galantamine with this forum. First of all, it is a prescription that is written for patients with alzheimer's disease. This brings me to it's properties as a memory booster: it is known as an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, meaning that it blocks the enzyme in the brain responsible for breaking down acetylcholine into it's components: acetate and choline. This results in extremely high levels of acetylcholine in the neuronal synapses and is believed to boost memory. When coupled with a choline supplement this effect is more pronounced. However, this Rx rarely works for alzheimer's sufferers and merely slows the progression of their disease. In terms of lucid dreaming, nightmares and intense "realistic" dreams are some of the side effects that I counsel my patient's families to watch out for when giving this drug to their loved ones. This not a placebo effect and has very real cognitive and biochemical effects. I do not endorse taking this recreationally for the purpose of lucid dreaming and I would strive to achieve a lucid state naturally, but that does not mean that galantamine coupled with choline is inherently harmful. You know your bodies better than anyone else so you all should be cognizant of any effects or changes that may occur.


Thanks for the input, docod44. It's great to see the point of view of a professional. I've never taken any of these suplements (besides some vitamin B6, but for other reasons...), but I don't think these drugs are the best way to reach lucidity. Anyway, it's something that should be carefully researched before taking.


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PostPosted: Sun 31 Jul, 2011  Reply with quote

I am flummoxed by all these people who reject galantamine and choline as unnatural. They are like people who would elect to walk to Chicago from New York rather than drive there in a car because "walking is more natural".I can only say that galantamine and choline are very effective and if they are not natural, then nature should take a lesson.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2011  Reply with quote

I think I'd agree that achieving lucidity through the tried and tested methods-dream diary, reality testing etc is the best way in terms of an understanding of the lucid dreaming process and the great feeling of achievement when you start to make progress. However, once there, Galantamine and Choline offer the experienced dreamer a way to progress rapidly since becoming lucid is no longer a random, unexpected event. Knowing you are likely to be lucid on a particular night allows a more structured approach to what you are going to do. In my experience, this allow the dreamer to better master the environment he is investigating. As far as I know, there are no problems taking these supplements in the doses suggested.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Oct, 2011  Reply with quote

I found this on wikipedia:

Some people who practice lucid dream (LD) or out-of-body experience (OBE) use galantamine to increase their odds to achieve LD or OBE.[12][13][14] By taking small amount of galantamine (around 4 to 8 mg) after five to six hours of deep sleep and practice an induction technique such as meditation, MILD or WILD [1] many people report more success with galantamine.[15]

There are also reports claiming that taking galantamine without proper induction technique will not lead to LD or OBE but will result in only a vivid dream instead. It should also be noted that, due to a long half-life, galantamine will stay in the body for a period of up to and over 48 hours. As such, it is advisable to space out the use of galantamine over a period of three days so that the body does not build a resistance to the drug, ruining its effectiveness


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Re: Galantamine+Choline
PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr, 2013  Reply with quote

I have used Galantamine (8mg) plus choline in the form of about 500mG of Alpha GPC. This does indeed work. As the last posted put, Galantamine should only be used about every 3rd day because of the speed at which it builds resistance in the body.

I am about to undertake a new experiment involving Galantamine and Nicotine patches, based on the study here http://dreamslucid.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/substa nces_that_facilitate_lucid_dreaming_-_a_case_study.pd f
Page 13 is the really important part (for me) as it shows the results they got and which substance combinations were used.

I will report back with results.


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr, 2013  Reply with quote

Yes these supplements really work..

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr, 2013  Reply with quote

Stevefrom49days wrote:
Galantamine and Choline definitely worked for me. I really struggled to have lucid dreams until about 2 years ago. I would have 10 LDs in a good year. Then I discovered the the book 'Advanced Lucid Dreaming' and started looking at this method. Now I take them at weekends and get about a 50% hit rate - but on successful nights I might have several different types of dream experience - LDs, OOBEs, visitors etc. I now get about 40 dreams a year but because I know when they are likely, I can plan more for what to do. In this way my LD development is progressing much quicker. I usually sleep for 5 hours and then take the supplements.


Bad for you. I had gotten 100LD in 4 months just using WILD and SSILD and some other methods. You don't need medical.You can achieve LD just by practicing more.


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Apr, 2013  Reply with quote

Pumpkin, you are really lucky. Some of us have talents for other things. I'm not a good natural lucid dreamer no matter what I try. I tried for 10 years before I discovered Galentamine. For me it's opened the gates to lucid Dreaming. Not only that though, I now experience a whole spectrum of altered states. But good for you if you don't need help.

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