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PostPosted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

would you stay forever, inside a lucid dream reality,
if you could,
always being lucid, always exploring,
if you knew that you could stay, would you choose to ?

what would you do ? I have been looking for solace and belonging in my dreams,
it is hard to find, it comes but not when I look for it.

consider the possibility, leave THIS world behind forever, be lucid and exist in others,


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

I brought this up a few years ago, and got a ton of different responses, some yes, some no. At the time I did want to. Now, I'm not so sure. Would be fun for a while...

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Eyelids... how old are you? (I want to say between 14 and 17 years old.)

I do not mean to sound so curt, but it is a curiosity, really. I've been pondering a similar question off-and-on during middle school, and then heavily when I began high school. Still have not quite let the thought pass.

Hypothetically speaking - lest I arouse past emotions and become hopeful - I would be more inclined to leave this world behind for a lucid dream reality. I do not know entirely why I would, but I would.

Eh... yeah.


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Maybe a few years ago I would have said "yes", but these days I find that happiness comes in the love of both dreams and waking life. If you spend the entire day wating for the night so you can dream, or if you loathe sleep because it's lost time you could spend living, awake - in both of these cases, I think it ususally just brings unhappiness, because you're longing the impossible. Experiencing existence in its entirety makes me feel better about life.

But, of course, you're asking that, if it was actually possible, would you do it. Well. I don't think so. I find one of the reasons LDs are so amazing is because I compare them to waking life. That is to say, if I didn't have to experience, day after day, that flying is impossible, it wouldn't be as cool in LD. Plus, a lot of the things I find out about myself in dreams are then usefull if applied to waking life. And viceversa, I guess.

Sometimes, though, I do feel like escaping completely. But something inside me, whenever I'm unhappy, asks me to please solve whatever the problem is, not give up. Also, I think I'd feel very isolated being in a LD, forever. Because I'd know that it's all just my mind. I like contact with other people. Of course, this is where it gets tricky, because one person may believe that dreams are a passageway to a greater spiritual reality, and that people are just a creation of the mind anyway. I have no idea, I like to not think like that, but I have no proof to deny it if someone thinks it's true.


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

I suspect I would feel isolated, but that feeling may pass. I would also miss the outside world, but it would probably pass too. I'd say that, i wouldn't leave this world now, but later. When there isn't much more to get out of this reality. When everybody dies and everything you care about goes away.
The novelty would wear off after a while. But when you get right down to it, it would be easier. Comfortable and easy living. You just hone your skills and you can get what you want.
Still, there is something about this earthbound existance that has a certain charm. Connecting with the people. I think that is the thing. Or at least knowing that they are there. It would be weird to know that you will never again talk to another real person.


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

I think yes. And if i could do it. I would do it in some years from now.
But i won't do it alone.
If i could,I would bring a friend too,Or i'll find her in one of the Lucid Worlds, and ask her to come with me to explore more worlds.
Like in Doctor Who.


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Ang wrote:
Eyelids... how old are you? (I want to say between 14 and 17 years old.)


I think he is around 22. I recall him stating his age a long time ago when he might have gone by a different name on the forums...maybe, I could be confused.

I actually made this topic twice, the first is archived here: http://www.ld4all.com/archive0205/viewtopic.php?t=594 1&highlight=choice
around 4 and a half years ago

and the second is here http://ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25929&highlig ht=choice
just last year

As you can see if you read the responses I got, a lot of people would not hesitate, but then a lot of people would not want it, for fear of it getting old, or becoming lonely. It was kinda half and half I guess.
I think I made the topic when i was feeling depressed, you know like all teens do at one point or another, ("Yay for angst!")

I'm still not sure about it now.


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

I would love to. I would absolutely love to live forever in a lucid dream.

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Hmm... depends. Do you mean being in a lucid dream forever, or a state similar to a lucid dream? There's quite a difference in the two. There are some things you aren't able to do even in a lucid dream, like clearing your memory or deliberately losing your own consciousness. Also, dreams are not always fully vivid. If it was being in a lucid dream, I might say no, but if it was a state similar, in which you had all the abilities of a lucid dream, and some (such as the ones I described) extra, all the while at the highest vividness possible, then I would say yes.

To be able to have absolute control over a reality would be great! I would even give up my present reality in order to achieve this. The first thing I would do, of course, is to set a law that I could never be destroyed completely unless I so chose. Epic adventures, incredible skills, wild sexual experiences, everything's at your fingertips, or nothing at all, if so you choose. The best thing about absolute power is that you can make yourself have no power or forget you had power for a limited time. If you became weary of your powers, you could set a timer, in which you would not have the powers or any realization of them, and create a world that mimics exactly the world you lived in, and live there for however long you set the timer, or until something triggers the timer to go off (like your death). This way, you would be right back to where you were before, and you'd be living with clones of the people you once knew, but being unaware of them being clones. It'd be just as good as reality because you wouldn't realize the difference until the timer went off. And with absolute power, you could even edit your own existence (on a timer of course, in case you mess up ), to experience things not possible for humans. Having your own reality to manipulate, you'd have all the benefits of a humble life, combined with all the benefits of absolute power! It's a win-win situation. And in the end, if you truly became tired of everything (though you could simply get rid of your ability to feel tired of it), you could ultimately destroy yourself completely.

Ultimate power has ultimate responsibilities, but I'd make sure to make plenty of laws and loopholes so that I'd never screw up too bad that it'd be completely irreversible.


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PostPosted: Fri 19 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Wow Sabre!
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The best thing about absolute power is that you can make yourself have no power or forget you had power for a limited time.

I have had lucid dreams lately that are very long, in which I am aware that I do not innately have to return, however, there is not anything in particular to "do" in the dreams.


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PostPosted: Fri 19 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Eh, lucid dreams are fun, but they aren't real. I can't be imagine just living in a world that isn't real, as it has no real meaning. Nothing you do or can ever do in a lucid dream can ever really matter or have any impact at all if you're not at least awake to appreciate the lesson. Essentially you give up every single bit of meaning your life ever had to live in a sandbox. Kind of like the Matrix when you think about it.

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Stricken wrote:
Eh, lucid dreams are fun, but they aren't real.


Only one mans opinion


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PostPosted: Fri 19 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Stricken wrote:
Eh, lucid dreams are fun, but they aren't real. I can't be imagine just living in a world that isn't real, as it has no real meaning. Nothing you do or can ever do in a lucid dream can ever really matter or have any impact at all if you're not at least awake to appreciate the lesson. Essentially you give up every single bit of meaning your life ever had to live in a sandbox.

Oh, wow. I absolutely, completely disagree with that. I understand this is all opinion, but the way you assert for everyone, Stricken, the above quote. I don't want to assail you for it, but, personally, [lucid] dreams... eh, think of this way:

How exactly does one go about defining "reality" and its boundaries in a complete, coherent - and consensus - description? Or, what makes this reality any more real than even the most vivid lucid dream? (Some of which have been described as being "hyperreal"...)

I'm just saying....


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PostPosted: Sun 21 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Yeah, I've asked myself this many times. Sometimes I think it would be just increadible to live in a paralel reality, in a fantastic world full of fantastic creatures, people and places. But forever I don't know. Maybe one thing that would make it so special would be the fact that I come and go.

I'd like to stay longer in my LD's though sadblauw . enough to get satisfied and want to come back, full of energy and joy, ready to face another day on Earth.


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Re: absolute escpaism
PostPosted: Tue 23 Sep, 2008  Reply with quote

Eyelids wrote:
would you stay forever, inside a lucid dream reality,
if you could,
always being lucid, always exploring,
if you knew that you could stay, would you choose to ?


If i could take my wife with me, then yes. I don't know about other people, but if my wife remains (physically) here and i'm not with her, but in my lucid dream, i would not want to make her unhappy.

But considering the mess this society has gone into, i prefer lucid world many times more over this mess here.



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