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Shared dreaming?
PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

I've heard whispers of the ability to 'share' lucid dreams with other people. Is this really possible, just a hypothetical scenario, or simply including another person in an LD as a DC?

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

I heard of it to and from what i read people have tried without success

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

Read Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self, by R. Waggoner. The writer and a friend of his actually shared a dream, and stories of other people who had.
Also, the book Mutual Dreaming written by Linda Lane Magallon, talks about multiple instances where people have connected in a dream.
A friend of mine and I were planning on trying it, but I'm not a natural LDer like he is, so I'm trying to get more frequent with my LDs before attempting it.



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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

I heard of a technique were you write a letter and you give it to your LD partner and dont read it put under your pillow meet your ld partner inyour dream and open the letter see if its it , just what i heard

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

Ive heard of a few techniques but I would think you would be a die hard LDr to actually achieve anything close to that.

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

I personally do believe in shared dreaming, as well as shared dream experiences, because they contain basic parts/steps to astral projection, which is the projection of our consciousness to see and experience what's outside of our body or outside of the physical (i.e. Dreams are outside of the physical).


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

As always, a look at this topic is recommended ^^
Plenty of people there have reported partial successes, so it's not something for LD pros (whatever that means) at all ^^



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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

jkup wrote:
Ive heard of a few techniques but I would think you would be a die hard LDr to actually achieve anything close to that.
jkup, if you wish to add something to a previous post, just click the little edit button on the top right of your post (in between the "quote" and the "X" button), and you can type in some more stuff. You do not need to click post reply or quick reply! smile



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PostPosted: Thu 15 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

Its definitely something I want to look into. I don't see how its possible, but my cousin tells me about how him and his friend both had the same nightmare where they're running through a hallway with zombies chasing them. One of them locks the door on the other and says "F*** you." The only difference between their two dreams is in my cousin's dream, his friend locks the door, and in his friend's dream, my cousin locks the door. My cousin says that it was something paranormal, but I think it might have been a shared dream.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

there is a way to create dream characters so real that they have their own emotions and ideals, instead of just projections of the subconscious, but it takes an experienced LD'er and years for the DC to take on its own emotions, so that possibility for something spontaneous as this is impossible.
a shared dream between two people would mean complete anarchy for the outsider, meaning if it wasn't his dream, the dream would fall apart, or they would die and wake up.
also, it would take an empathy link or something of that nature to actually get someone into some other persons subconscious without the help of machinery, either this or astral projection, which normally takes years to master without some luck to go into the equation.
what i meant about the anarchy is that, like a demon, the body fights the outsider if they screw around with the hosts mind.
if the outsider was to change ANYTHING the mind would start to sniff them out like a bloodhound, and expell them from the mind, even if it means death.
of course, this just means you'd wake up, but still, pain is very, very real.
in almost every actual circumstance of shared dreaming you hear about, some kind of peril goes along with the journey.

others are either lies to get attention, or their just lucky.


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

Well first, according to common experience, it's very possible to meet some other place than someone's inner mind. If we were to believe in the premises of SD'ing, so that one's mind can travel beyond its boundaries, then a meeting in a neutral place that is neither one's mind can be easily arranged.
Secondly, all it takes for one's consciousness to be accepted in some other's inner place is having discussed things between them IWL, and having some to a pact of acceptance. It has been done before, and seems to work.



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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

thanks for the quick reply, but the subconscious it not the same as a person.

I'm not saying your attacking the outsider, i wouldn't shoot my friend in the face.......normally, but that's besides the point.
the subconscious does not normally accept outsiders, it isn't the same person inside, you cannot control its actions.
I'm not saying it cant be done, but simply agreeing to meet in one place just seems a bit.........mainstream to me.
by "mainstream" i mean simple knowledge passed down by people who don't know what their talking about.
I'm not saying you know nothing about this, and I'm trying to say this without sounding like i know everything.
its like saying zombies can bring the dead back to life by biting them, its old knowledge, if you think about it, it doesn't make sense, medically, or physically.
agreeing to meet in one place, i mean come on.
it doesn't seem to me dreams are connected by something as simple as a place, there isn't just one place in the entire dreamscape, its not one giant sandbox where people come and go, its one single entities subconscious projections.
that's what makes it a dream.
it personal.
people don't just randomly enter your dream, which is proof the dreamscape isn't public, but who's to say that the people they were meeting weren't simple projections of your own subconscious because you believed they would be there
if you agree to meet someone in a dreamscape, normally you've known them for a while, meaning you know how their emotions play out, and how they act.
in a lucid dream, this appears even more!
as long as you believe its actually them.
I'm not saying its actually possible, but one of my goals in life is to eliminate all FALSE mainstream knowledge as possible, simple things that are simply beliefs that are, for the most part, untrue, and a lot of what i hear these days is just that.


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Jul, 2010  Reply with quote

Well, if you don't believe me, you can have a look at what one of the best SD'ers I know thinks about it.


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First,I'd want to say that the person that wrote that "stuff" is someone I know personally, and I have daily conversations with her, and she's a very nice person, going to university, living her life like any of us, so I'd tread your steps more carefully.

Secondly, yeah they've written a lot of theories there, mostly derived from personal experiences they've had in their dreams.But I can't say I believe them myself. Personally, I just accept that what they say could be true, and I'll wait till I actually experience any of that stuff myself before I can start considering them as true.

Thirdly, we are talking about shared dreaming here. So we are trying to find a reasonable frame that could make possible such an eventuality. You were making your own assumptions about that, and decided it was somewhat hard. What I was doing was presenting some different opinions from people who say it being possible, who claim to have repeatedly had SD between themselves, and that I often chat with and I can assure you, they're perfectly reasonable people. So it seemed reasonable to me to listen at least to what they have to say, and I know as well as you that dreams can trick us, so I try to keep a neutral profile, and that's it.



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To XwolfbroX,
Will you believe that shared dreaming is possible if it comes form expert lucid dreamers? Pick up a book called Lucid Dreaming gateway to the inner self, and start reading page 207. The writer of this book, Robert Waggoner and his friend Ed Kellogg actually had a documented mutual dream monitored by a third party as to prove the validity of their dream encounter. I loaned out my book by Stephen LaBerge, but if I remember right, he too had a mutual dream(s). Those guys are pretty much the Lucid dreaming gurus as far as I'm concerned, so don't tell me what they are saying is B..l too.
I hope to be able to explain in words one of these days that thought is more then just thought. Thought actually is, like energy. Connecting to your subconscious is connecting to universal energy. Hence finding a person's energy/aura in the dream world is totally possible in my eyes. You create your life/reality by what you believe, in that you are free to do so. But for those that are able to believe more, their lives/reality will not only be will be "larger" but intrinsically more fascinating and evolving. I do believe that lucid dreaming is definitely a gateway to the larger truth of our existence, one I hope to be able to grasp one day.



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