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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Hey man. colgate

Concerning past lives, spirit guides etc. You can give them the meaning you want to. No one is trying to brainwash you. These kinds of experiences are often powerful, but that doesn't mean you'll have to convert to shamanism in order to practise them. Sometimes the effects are just plain humorous. My first spirit guide was another member of the forum! In another dream, I kissed the angel of death!

I've talked to great-grandparents who are dead, though I don't have any particular belief in channeling or spirit worlds or anything. See: if all else fails, you can always label all these experiences as dialogues with your subconscious mind: that's what most people do. There's no need to change beliefs just to practise some creative dreaming. Which leads me to my second point.

I'll be nitpicky about two things: first, to lucid dream is to realise you're dreaming, and thus break the fourth wall of the dream, or in other words, it's to experience disbelief and critical thinking within a dream. In that sense, you did lucid dream. Second: what you are able to do with your dreams is a matter for a lot more practises than just lucid dreaming. Being lucid usually helps you gain confidence to control the environment of your dream, but just like there are regular dreams where you can fly, there can be lucid dreams where you're stuck to the ground, period.

This forum has two points. The first (roughly embodied by the first section of the forum) is to help people achieve lucidity, and believe you me, this is the toughest part. You've gone past that: congratulations. Now comes the easier part: provided you can get lucid, let's do some cool stuff. Doing cool stuff within dreams is not called "lucid dreaming": it's called "creative dreaming".

I, for one, do most of my dream stunts without any lucidity, through a different set of techniques called "incubation". I use my lucidity to play with the plots and narratives of my dreams. In that sense, the two things I do the most (and enjoy doing) in my lucid dreams are to role play as if I had no powers, and to find a way of losing my lucidity after doing something crazy: in order to see where things head to if I have no control over them.

The forum is full of discussion as to what can you do after you get lucid. Some people specialise in teaching (or testing) some things. Word has it that Q is a great flying teacher. smile You should look the Adventures and the Lab for tips on how to gain confidence, and how to pull of the stunts you want to so badly. Last but not least, you might want to try doing cool stuff without being lucid (it's harder for most — but perhaps it works best for you). In this case, I suggest you dig General Lucidness, Stuff Dreams Are Made Of, and run a couple searches for the terms "incubation" and "visualization".

Now, now. I guess what I'm trying to say is: don't downplay your one success as a lifetime failure. Don't give up because it took you this much to do the hardest part. You're leaving the forum at about the point things start to get fun and interesting for you!— why would you do that?




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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

maybe they mean in relation to this world, it is fake ? as in, fantasy

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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Dragos Chronos wrote:
Hey, guys it me. I was slow to bring back this account because on my DJ I fudged about having an LD when I was in 2nd grade. I'm glad to be back. But anyway, not all of the stuff on this site can be real. I'm Christian and pasQuale said that you can get a glimpse of your past life... no way. And meet your Spirit Guide... that's just weird. And hugging a Nightmare? That one cracked me up. So, some of this has to be made up. I also don't think you can meet other people in your LD's. Seriously THAT can't be proved.

I'm glad you are back with your true account.
I think with the past life comment you meant one of the old quests?
Well this depends on the person's beliefs. I think that probably a lot of these dreams are incubated and not actually past lives.
Spirit guide also depends on belief. I prefer to describe it as a 'dream guide' that is really part of your own subconsious.
Hugging a nightmare? Well you can do anything in a dream :D

Shared dreaming .. I believe it's possible but rare.

As for your old DJ ... it is possible for you to edit some posts yourself or if you pm me I can remove the post/s for you. Though it's probably so far back in the DJ forum no one would see the posts colgate



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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Dragos Chronos wrote:
Hey, guys it me. I was slow to bring back this account because on my DJ I fudged about having an LD when I was in 2nd grade. I'm glad to be back. But anyway, not all of the stuff on this site can be real. I'm Christian and pasQuale said that you can get a glimpse of your past life... no way. And meet your Spirit Guide... that's just weird. And hugging a Nightmare? That one cracked me up. So, some of this has to be made up. I also don't think you can meet other people in your LD's. Seriously THAT can't be proved.


Dreams are, of course, affected by what you believe in. If you don't believe that lucid dreams are true, if you don't try anything, nothing will happen.

Simple as that.


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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

we can only learn to learn from learning ,

we can only learn to find harmony with our surrounding ,

to go inside when someone says no to an idea causes a lot of what is coming up right now , and apparent disparity yinyang

is this user even real wink5 ?

i like to trust everyone, but my intuition as highest, and someone else can explain why


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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Dragos Chronos wrote:
So, some of this has to be made up. I also don't think you can meet other people in your LD's. Seriously THAT can't be proved.

Yeah, some of the content might not be true. I'm also quite skeptical about doing astral projection/shared dreams. But really, there's no harm in attempting it out in a lucid dream. Even if it isn't true, at least it's harmless fun.


But really, there's something odd about not believing in lucid dreams and still believing in Christianity. But then again, I tend to question atheism, too.


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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Bruno has made an excellent reply here which I have nothing really more to add to grin

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PostPosted: Mon 11 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Hey, people stop commenting w/out reading the rest of the comments because i'm done. I never looked at the people for LD'ing but only the people against it.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 May, 2009  Reply with quote

I look at it like this. If lucid dreaming is just a normal dream, what does it matter your still getting the same effect even though its only an illlusion of being lucid. Its something diffrent happning compared to not practing lucid dreams. If thats what your talking about. If you mean that lucid dreaming isnt real in the other way, and that everyone here is conspiring with lies that we lucid dream. Well that would just be stupid. Or maybie Im just not understanding what you mean.

I dont know why, and Im sorry, but your post has mad me angry. Do you seriously think were all lying about lucid dreams. Damn skeptics are going to be the down fall of our evolution if we arnt carefull. No need to spread it to people who are seriously trying to have a lucid dream. Lucid dreaming is real, so dont listen to "luciddreaming is fake" Even your name is skeptikal. If your frustrated, because you havnt had one youll never have one if you dont open your mind.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Kava, did you even read his post? You were very rude to him, and you're accusing him of saying something which is completely besides the point of what he actually said.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Your right Bruno, I apologize for being so rude. I just dont really understand what you are saying? Could someone explain to me what he is saying. I think its just his name that angred. Sorry for my ignorance. Are you saying that its more spiritual then scientific? I dont know why its so hard for me to grasp what your saying.

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LDingisfake wrote:
Just read the post. Don't skip it because you think I'm just mad because I can't have an LD. I am a former member (The reason i'm not telling you who is because i lied about LDing a few times, sorry) who finally was able to have a LD... NOT. I realized I was inside of a dream. I tried everything! Going to the Lucid Crossroads, making the Purple Gorilla disappear (long story), throwing a fireball, Screaming wake up (I couldn't talk) ALL I COULD DO WAS MOVE! I HAD NO POWER. Plus I decided to check the science on Lucid Dreaming. Turns out no science can prove LDing is real. LDing has nothing to do with the fluids that paralyze you during sleep, like someone told me. The theories aren't even scientific. The on thing that might prove an LD is real is if they manage to create the machine that can change the brainwave during sleep to image so you can literally watch someone's dream. If someone can find ANY science backing up LD's then, by all means, show me.














..gosh i'm gonna miss this place... please somebody prove me wrong...



So first you say you have a LD, then you say "NOT" then you are explaining that you did have a lucid dream, and that you lied when you said you had had lucid dreams before. Im really confused here.


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PostPosted: Tue 12 May, 2009  Reply with quote

He lied about having LDs and now , for the first time, he had a LD but he wasn't able to control the environment so he deemed the LDing experience as Fake.

Well, first of all, you did have a lucid dream, so the discussion here is not about whether or not it is possible to have a lucid dream, but whether or not it is possible to manipulate the environment in the dream ? Correct me if im wrong..

You don't need science..

The only proof you can get is your own .

The only way to get it would be to Lucid Dream, so if you're still up for it..

We have something to talk about..


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I'm Christian and pasQuale said that you can get a glimpse of your past life... no way. And meet your Spirit Guide... that's just weird. And hugging a Nightmare? That one cracked me up. So, some of this has to be made up. I also don't think you can meet other people in your LD's. Seriously THAT can't be proved.
^^ You are only limited by your own beliefs! wink
You say you are Christian and I was raised Catholic. I went to sunday school and mass every weekend from 1st through 10th grade. I am now 32 and have had many life experiences that did not correlate with what I was taught and raised to believe. So I have learned to open my mind and enjoy the freedom of not limiting my thoughts and to continue to experience life and learn through life experience instead of what was preached to me as someone else's ideals and way life is and should be. I'm not saying that anyone's religious preference is wrong I'm just saying don't forget to listen to yourself as well.


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PostPosted: Thu 14 May, 2009  Reply with quote

Dragos Chronos wrote:
I never looked at the people for LD'ing but only the people against it.


Why in *** name would you look for that here?


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