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Character Assisted Lucid Dreaming...CALD part VI

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PostPosted: Mon 15 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Thanks again. I've been anticipating a futuristic dream for ages.

Sentis, I'm also trying the CALD-VILD hybrid. I haven't got VILD to work for me yet because I keep falling asleep too soon, but I have got CALD to work for me. From what I heard, VILD works better in the morning because that's when your REM Cycles are. I also notice that it's easier to go back into a dream in the morning. When you first go to sleep at night, it takes a few hours before you start dreaming. In the morning, you can literally close your eyes for a minute (you must be pretty tired else you won't fall asleep) and you'll be in a dream. This is how DEILD and WBTB works if I recall.

CALD would be interesting to try in a WBTB. I have no school, so I have the chance to try it. I might try it, but it would be hard to wake up at around 5:00am in the morning without waking everyone up first.
One thing I have to say about VILD though - I swear I got really close. I started daydreaming myself walking around my house touching objects (I read this elsewhere) and it got pretty vivid, but I snapped out of it and 'woke up.'

Good luck Sentis, and let's hope we both get CALDs tonight! :D


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PostPosted: Mon 15 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

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Rhewin: Good response with sentis above. C: You seem as though you're really engaged in CALD, and I respect the speed and clarity with which you've absorbed the threads and their information. Thanks for making sure that sentis didn't go without a reply-- it's because of this positive attitude I see in members like you that I have infinite respect for this forum. C:
How have things been going for you?
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Yeah I'm really into this topic, and whenever I'm interested something I devote a lot of time and energy to it. The big thing I've realized so far is that it is all simpler than we beginners think that it is. If I try too hard to make The Doctor independent, then it's just me daydreaming a conversation. However, when I just go with whatever things my [insert word I'm looking for here. Mind? Imagination?] comes up with for him, he begins to take on a personality of his own and I start. All in all, it's a matter of simply letting go.

I have had a bit more progress with The Doctor. The other night in my pre-sleep phase I was having a conversation with him. I wasn't really picturing anything, but after a while I could very vaguely see his face like it was coming through a deep fog. The best thing that could describe it would be HI, but it wasn't anywhere near that intense or clear. Hopefully that's a good sign.

Anywho, thank you for your kind words. I'm looking forward to seeing this thread develop even further. By the way, do we have a sticky that's just the basic tutorial/FAQ on how CALD works? That would be really helpful for a lot of newcomers as this discussion is growing so fast.



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PostPosted: Mon 15 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Teraflare: Looking forward to your results. Good luck with your CALD-VILD!

Rhewin: We're very alike in that when we like something we dedicate lots of energy-- I do that often with new things and research the crap out of it! Haha C: I like your description of your interactions with The Doctor. Your approach is very similar to how we approach LDing in general-- Just sort of a 'go with the flow' sort of thing, not too much pushing it.
His growth certainly is very interesting, and seems much more exciting than my own character's growth! Haha tounge2 Lucky.
While there is a tutorial on CALD (See my sig below my post) there is no FAQ, however, seeing as there have been a flood of new posts, I'm starting to see what really needs to be answered C:. Rhewin, I like you a lot. We seem to click well, could you help me in composing some questions? I will be answering them, and compiling an FAQ to hopefully append to the CALD Tutorial. Here are some questions I know need to be included in the FAQ:

How do I get the characters out of my dreams?
How do I start making my character?
Do character have to come from dreams?
(The last three seem repetitive but have different answers)
Now I have my character, what do I do?
How do I use my character to get Lucid?
( This is a long answer tounge2 )
My character isn't appearing/interacting with me, what do I do?
How do I get my character to appear to me in dreams?

Etc... Would you like to help me? C:
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PostPosted: Tue 16 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Sure, I'll send you a PM.


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PostPosted: Tue 16 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Nice! I'm sure that faq would help a lot of us, including myself on some of those questions.

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

It didn't work ,I think I messed up somewhere i'm going to try it again tonight.

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PostPosted: Tue 16 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

I have something to report with VILD-CALD.

If you try in the morning, then you must try immediately after the second you wake up. Don't move too much, because you will be too awake. If I move around a bit first and then try, I have no success - meaning I think it could work the instant you wake up.

As for nightime, I try CALD on its own. I didn't have any success last night because I was stupid for not becoming lucid in certain areas of my dream. There's always tonight to try again smile


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Ok, so I've received questions from Rhewin and I'll be compiling a FAQ to put up for review soon (hopefully within the next few days as school's picking up).

Wolvendeer: Great C: FAQ-ness is a go, then.

sentis: Good luck! If you want to post your experience up here, we're available to try and give suggestions for future attempts, but good luck! C:

Teraflare8866: You're becoming quite proficient with this! C: You certainly have the most info and experience on a VILD-CALD combination, so I will be using your insights for the FAQ. Is that Ok?


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PostPosted: Wed 17 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

sentis wrote:
It didn't work ,I think I messed up somewhere i'm going to try it again tonight.


Yeah I've been having a difficult time with it (the LD part) as well. For whatever reason I can't get VILD (or any other tech where you have to "set an intention") to work. Tell me, where is it you think you're getting stuck?



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PostPosted: Wed 17 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

The part where I have to constantly imagine the dream happening around me I think.

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PostPosted: Wed 17 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Yeah that's where I get stuck on it too. Whenever I try to picture something as I'm falling asleep, I almost always lose it. The same thing happens whenever I try WILD. We simply may not be the type who can easily do such a thing :\. Then again that may just be me and you only need more practice tounge2. Try it for a bit longer, sticking with the VILD formula. If nothing comes from it, try something else.

All I know is that I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. Personally, I'm going to stick with CALD. Hopefully The Doctor will be able to get through to me in my dreams even if I can't. He says that he's up to it (does that sound crazy?), but neither of us is quite sure how strong he really is on his own yet.



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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

sentis: Is it that you have difficulty visualizing everything, or continuing to visualize the dream before sleep? I think for VILD it is sufficient to imagine your dream beforehand in as much detail as possible, and then intend on entering that dream while falling asleep C:

Rhewin: It's good you're helping sentis out C: It's always nice to see that. If you're unsure about his ability to induce dream for you, just keep trying. There is no harm done in doing so.
Are you trying other techniques in combination with CALD, or just focussing on CALD itself? Either is perfectly valid (many of my early LDs came from character assistance alone), but CALD becomes quickly routine and other techs can be fun to try in conjunction with it :) .


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Talon Arana wrote:
If you're unsure about his ability to induce dream for you, just keep trying. There is no harm done in doing so.
Are you trying other techniques in combination with CALD, or just focussing on CALD itself? Either is perfectly valid (many of my early LDs came from character assistance alone), but CALD becomes quickly routine and other techs can be fun to try in conjunction with it smile .


Yeah I've tried WILD in the morning a couple of times but I'm still workin on that. I've also used MILD, and that did help make The Doctor appear in a dream. Unfortunately it was the wrong Doctor (Third instead of Second). I really shouldn't have chosen a character with 11 different faces =P .



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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

Well that's cool C: I'm sure that the different aspects of him make him more interesting, anyways. I really should try MILD, I often try to WILD but fail :P . The opportunities to try out such a cool technique (WILD) cannot be passed up! I'd even like to try while sleeping on the school bus, one of these days :P

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb, 2010  Reply with quote

So last night I noticed that The Doctor (now pictured in my avatar) is much more vivid during our pre-sleep conversations, and he also seems to be significantly more independent than when I started out with him. Last night in our conversation we were walking through my old neighborhood. It felt pretty neat showing him the sights, though I'm sure he would have preferred being atop Mt. Everest or exploring some foreign world.

He's really started to come into his, making sure to distinguish himself from other characters in my dreams/daydreams. He's also given me some insights on this whole CALD thing that I would really like to share. He and I have come up with the theory that these independent characters are still in some way a part of us. Getting in touch with them is like forming a bond with our SC, or something even deeper.

I've personally always believed that we humans have multiple parts. They could be called many thing; Body, Spirit and Soul (my personal belief); Mind, Will and Emotions; Id, Ego and Superego; really anything you can think of for these parts would work. I think we're in touch with these first two parts, but not the third (or fourth/fifth depending on some beliefs). Perhaps these characters are a way of finally giving these parts a voice.

Of course this is all speculation. It will take a lot of time before The Doctor and I really figure out what is happening.



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