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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

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I question WL very often but dont come close in my dreams sadblauw lol its so weird.

yea i know-i guess you start questioning dreams after you had enough LDs or something? Lots of people say its useless trying to do RCs in RL because you wont get to it in dreams anyway. However, you sometimes get the odd dream where you do.

Tips on flying-Whenever I try to fly, I always start out on the ground, then I jump up and try to swim in the air, and after lots of tries it works and I keep on doing the butterfly stroke and I get faster and faster! To vaporize people, all I do is close my eyes and imagine they wont be there when I open them and theyre not.

Question to PerPle- You only get low quality LDs from FILD? I always though it would be like youre sleeping in your room, then you wiggle you fingers for 30 seconds, then when you stop you get up, just like when you were awake, and then have the same lvl of awareness and you can do whatever you want. Can you give us a description of what it feels like to go through FILD? If you want, I'll tell you about WILD.

lbsf1-Congrats on your first LD grin Continue to get more!

Patches-Yea sometimes you have, "dry" periods. Dont worry, it goes away after 4-8 days, then you should be able to remember all your dreams again.


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

I am doing WBTB right now. Read a little bit of forum, made RCs ( I do always more than 1 RC, usually I look my hands, hold the nose, read and think what I did 5 minutes ago ).

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

Dark_Heroes_Master wrote:


Question to PerPle- You only get low quality LDs from FILD? I always though it would be like youre sleeping in your room, then you wiggle you fingers for 30 seconds, then when you stop you get up, just like when you were awake, and then have the same lvl of awareness and you can do whatever you want. Can you give us a description of what it feels like to go through FILD? If you want, I'll tell you about WILD.


With FILD all i feel is a tingling sensation through my body, nothing else, then after 30 seconds i would open my eyes and do a RC and most of the time i'm dreaming..like this morning ^^. Thats all to it. Now i would get out of bed and my vision would always be blurry, one time it was so bad that it was like my vision was split between the real world and the dream world. from there i would have to stabilize the dream and not all the times it would work cuz on many occasions i would just give up but lately i've been getting the hang of things. i still havent acquired full control over the dreams where i can change the environment and what not but i can ask to see someone and they will show. the DILD i would have now and again would be alot more vivid than FILD to me but maybe thats something i can work on.

Question on WILD : i've been trying this technique with much failure. i cant help but swallow and my mind wanders a lot. there was this one time that after i tried it, failed and went back to bed it felt like i was going crazy, my head was throbbing and it felt like jolts going through my brain. it happened twice after i tried WILD and thats when i decided to take a break. Is this normal and can you share your ideas and experiences with WILD?



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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

Good call dark heroes,
3 days of no recall, but i remember atleast 4 from last night.
I cant believe noone of them made me lucid, they made no sense at all haha.
at one point i was bouncing around on a life preserver attached to a bungy chord that extended to the sky in a crazy circular city.
Maybe im not questioning reality enough..
Good job with your FILD's tho PerPle, thats exciting


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

My experienced with WILD haven´t been very successful. This technique doesn´t suit to me. I´ve tried it many times. Just lying in the bed one hour and some times even more, my body gets numb, I´ve heard voices and seen pictures, I feel that my body is like liquid, I also feel that my hands are about 20 cm off the bed. If these things happen, I get excited because I know that I am coming closer to become lucid. Then my heart starts to beating faster and wakes my physical body up and I lose everything. And after that I can´t fall asleep. I prefer MILD wink

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

PerPle-The very first time I achieved WILD was like this-I was lying in bed on my side, listening to the analog clock, when I started hearing white noise and random blue rectangles popped up everywhere. Then one of the rectangles expanded into a tunnel which I was sucked into, and it felt like everything was shaking like crazy, then it stopped and I couldnt move my muscles, it was probably SP .Then I just waited and a really hazy scene appeared, and I waited for about 5min while it became even more clear, until I saw a palm tree on the beach of my scene, then I decided to touch it and I found myself in the dream.

2nd time-It was basically the same thing, except without the violent shaking and SP, the scene just materialized and I did the same thing ,I touched something in it and got into the dream. Very satisfying , especially first time.
The rest resembled the 2nd time.

About your head throbbing and jolts going through your head, everyone has their own strange method of entering SP, and as long as it isnt painful its very good, as it means youre entering SP . Just survive it for a couple more minutes and then youll get into the calm of SP. If it is painful-2 thing could have happened-1. you hit your head on something 2. Somethings not right in your head, not to scare you or anything, but as long as it doesnt recur or no pain(or slight, you may get them mixed up because of the state youre in), then youre good, but if you feel sharp acute pain every time you try I would go see a doctor.

Now about your swallowing problem-I find that when you put your pillow closer to your back, your head gets an incline and you have to swallow less often, and the closer you get to SP, the less you salivate, so the less youll have to swallow.

Now about FILD, ill be sure to try it at the earliest opportunity, but just to clarify a few things, you have to be in a half asleep state when you try, or can you just lie down in the middle of the night after walking around a bit and itll work?
And I know what you mean my stabilizing the dream, back when I was an active LDer I tried this thing kinda like FILD , I just closed my eyes and opened them 1 min later and I got in a dream, and I know that you have to not do any sudden things like fly for the first 5 min or the dream is gonna collapse, and also when I tried that, I had vivid dreams. Thanks for sharing your experiences.

Sorry for this big wall'o text smile


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

Having one of my off couple of days. No recall for 2 days. Feel confident about tonight. I'm trying WILD, V-WILD, bit of MILD and last but not least my latest addition FILD. Wishing you all luck.
Bit of motivation here now.
I have tried loads of things like lucid dreaming: self hypnosis, idoser and can never get them to work. However I had a lucid dream, If I can do it then anyone can. Practise makes perfect. A journey of 1000miles must begin with a single step.


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PostPosted: Tue 06 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

I had many LDs before I heard about this concept. But then it stopped because I had many sleepless nights etc... Recently, couple of months ago I heard that there is such thing as LDs and tried to have LDs. First I focused on remembering my dreams. That is not difficult for me. And then I used RC, I was just looking at my hand and I knew I was in a dream. I had 4 LDs this way. But when I wanted more, it just stopped. It has been more than a month now and I can not have LDs. And enjoying them so much I want them so much! So I am with you! I hope we can have LD soon!

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

writing , i'm taking this all down! Dark_Heroes_Master its not a painful jolt but it scares the heck out of me. WILD sounds so easy when you do it. at what times do you do it anyway? because maybe thats my problem, im doing it at wrong times like when i get home from work at 3 and im usually so tired that i go right to sleep and hardly remember any dreams at all but i thought you can do WILD at any time but now i'm hearing you cant whatsthat I guess i'll have to agree with Miredo and say this technique doesnt suit me! About FILD, i would do it when im still drowsy and yes in a half asleep state. i think you can do WBTB with it but i mainly do it after i just get up to turn off my alarm or after a dream or sometimes i even do it while im dreaming but you have to still be really sleepy. to me its the same concept as when you try to WILD at that time.

I like your positive attitude lbsf1, im goin to write up a Sigil for all of us to achieve LDs! and immagini maybe thats the problem. i had most of my LDs when i decided to take a break and completely forgot about the concept. i think you should stop working so hard on trying to get LDs and just let them come to you like they use to cuz you're a natural (i so wish i was like that) and you're probably just going through a dry spell, soon the rain will fall and the drought will be over. ^^



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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

immagini wrote:
I had many LDs before I heard about this concept. But then it stopped because I had many sleepless nights etc... Recently, couple of months ago I heard that there is such thing as LDs and tried to have LDs. First I focused on remembering my dreams. That is not difficult for me. And then I used RC, I was just looking at my hand and I knew I was in a dream. I had 4 LDs this way. But when I wanted more, it just stopped. It has been more than a month now and I can not have LDs. And enjoying them so much I want them so much! So I am with you! I hope we can have LD soon!


Just don't forget to focus more on having LD's, and less on wanting LD's. Sounds silly, but it can really help!

Keep going everyone and don't give up, sooner or later you'll get it! grin


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

PerPle wrote:
writing , i'm taking this all down! Dark_Heroes_Master its not a painful jolt but it scares the heck out of me. WILD sounds so easy when you do it. at what times do you do it anyway? because maybe thats my problem, im doing it at wrong times like when i get home from work at 3 and im usually so tired that i go right to sleep and hardly remember any dreams at all but i thought you can do WILD at any time but now i'm hearing you cant whatsthat

As long as you dont feel pain, its OK, its just you going into SP, which means youre almost there grin
And NO, NO, NO, you can not do it whenever you want angry
You come home at 3:00 a.m ? eek2
Anyway, WILD, as long as you get the right time, its actually fairly easy. This is how I found my perfect time to WILD-first, I'll have to tell you that it has to be done after 5-6 hours of sleep, so you can go right to REM sleep and get in that dream. So this is how I founf my time to WILD-set alarm to 5 hours later, then tried WILD, couldnt get it. Then 5 hours 10 min, still didnt work. 20,20,40,50, 6 hours, and 6 hours 10 didnt work but after I tried 6h20 as soon as I tried I got vivid HI right away and then within 5 min I got a faint image forming, and 10 min later I was in my dream smile you try the 10 min increments as well, you know you have the right time when you start seeing very vivid HI within5-10 min. Good luck!

I still havent been able to try out FILD blauw


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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

Wow, FILD works better than I expected. I tried and it worked! woo
The problem I had with FILD was that I had a frozen sight, does somebody know how to get the frozen sight away?




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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

What is FILD? whatsthat

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

Its a technique to achieve LDs where you wiggle your fingers to get you into a dream

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Apr, 2010  Reply with quote

Yessss!
Became lucid last night for atleast 2 minutes!
after the 9th night of obsessing over LD'ing


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