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RODDERS790
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i think ive just had my first lucid dream...whooo hoo
PostPosted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

BEFORE DREAM: i was struggling badly to get to sleep because i tried WILD when i went to bed, and all this caused was really bad itching and super irritability this went on utill 3 am, so i went to sleep in another bed on my own and struggled for another half hour, and eventually fell asleep.

THE DREAM: i needed the little boys room so i walked out of the bedroom (the one i am in now, not my usual one). anyway while i was taking a wizz, i looked in the mirror on top of the toilet ( there isn't one IRL ) . i looked at my self in the mirror then i looked down to make sure i was aiming correctly, only i was looking in the mirror looking at my reflection looking down.
i noticed what i was seeing, this scared the crap out of me (excuse the pun) i thought this is something paranormal (i could hear my breathing which was very heavy).
i rushed out of the bathroom to tell my girlfriend what i just saw. when i got out side our bedroom door i realised i should try and put my hand through a wall, but first i will slap my face, i did this hard a few times, i could feel it a bit(v.cool) but realised it was still very numb. my hand caught my attention so instead i looked at my fingers, 1,2,3,4,5,6 uh...1.2.3.4.5.6...six fingers!! haha!!! im dreaming! i got exited i went to run downstairs when i got to top of staircase and looked at my hand again six fingers still (they look really funny don't they).
anyway i ran downstairs to see what i could get up to, i found myself in a large dark empty living room, (i should have taken a second to relax myself and comprehend what was going on) but me being me , i decided to spin around and go somewhere cool. i started spinning with my eyes closed and said to myself " i wanna go somewhere cool" this just made my dream fade to black, i realised my mistakes, so i opened my eyes (still black though) and started spinning while telling myself i want to be in a field, only one eye opened and i was still in the room, but it was like my eye was stuck to the floor, i still tried spinning, but lost lucidity and woke up.

what an amazingly freakishly super cool experience.. im looking forward to my new lucid future woo

THANKS LD4all AND ITS GREAT COMMUNITY FOR YOUR HELP!!
if anybody had doubts that they can do this too, then stop doubting now, it WILL happen eventually if you want it enough



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PostPosted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

Wow, congratulations on your LD ;3


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

thankyou!


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

RODDERS790 wrote:
thankyou!


If everybody could do it, everybody would have already done it. But anyway, your hands probably looked like reflections in a funhouse mirror, didn't they?


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PostPosted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

arne saknussemm wrote:
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If everybody could do it, everybody would have already done it. But anyway, your hands probably looked like reflections in a funhouse mirror, didn't they?


no they looked normal shape except i had a finger growing from my middle finger
plus every body has the ability to swim or read or write or fly an aircraft (and just in case you say everybody cant read ect. they have the ability its just the widespread methods of learning dont work for everybody) ... but not everybody can do it right now can they...... the glass is always half empty for you isnt it

i do believe STRONGLY that EVERYBODY has the ability to be aware of their dreams, 1st not everybody wants to do it 2nd not everybody has even heard of it 3rd not everybody is aware of the scale of LD and 4th everybody learns to LD in different ways, the biggest way for LD`s to work from what i have learned so far is belief and so far every post you have sent me is negative and tells people that they probably cant do it.


plus, everything you have said to me like "there's no way to progress you will either have them or not" is FALSE. and "if your not an insomniac you cant LD" again is FALSE, i come here like everybody else for help and inspiration and up to now you have done the complete opposite, maybe you have had over 2000 LD`s but maybe its more natural for you, that does not mean you are part of some select few, being aware of your dreams is not rocket science. AND I HAVE JUST PROVED THAT!!!!!!

edit: one thing you have said has rung true.. i was in light sleep last night and this could have well caused the LD but as other people have told me they have had LD`s and are heavy sleepers

PLEASE ARNE TELL ME WHY YOU THINK YOUR RIGHT, I KEEP ASKING YOU BUT YOU JUST KEEP COMING OUT WITH NEW BULLCRAP STATEMENTS INSTEAD OF SAYING WHY YOU COME TO SUCH UNFOUNDED BELIEFS...PLEASE ANSWER HERE SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE AND, TELL ME IF YOUR RIGHT (I SOMEHOW HIGHLY DOUBT IT).


and thank you dB_FTS wink



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PostPosted: Sun 12 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

congrats on first LD RODDERS790!! :D


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

Now wait a minute, I didn't say that only insomniacs will EVER have an LD.

People who are not insomniacs will probably never have one, but that doesn't cover everyone.

And remember, I've had over 2,000, and you've had one. So maybe you should wait till you get to about, oh, maybe 20 or so before you start to tell me all about them.

Lots of people in my Yahoo Group have had a few right off the bat and then never had another one, and several years have now gone by for them. Maybe you'll be different from them. But maybe not.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

arne saknussemm wrote:
Now wait a minute, I didn't say that only insomniacs will EVER have an LD.

And remember, I've had over 2,000, and you've had one. So maybe you should wait till you get to about, oh, maybe 20 or so before you start to tell me about them.

Lots of people in my Yahoo Group have had a few right off the bat and then never had another one, and several years have now gone by. Maybe you'll be different. But maybe not.


arne saknussemm wrote:
But realize that lucid dreaming is all about light sleep. If you don't have a tendency towrd insomnia, you'll probably never have one.


yes you did ^^^ and the info i am arguing about comes from experienced "common knowledge" dreamers not me. and once again you have come out with another empty comment.

please tell me why these statements are true

1, But realize that lucid dreaming is all about light sleep. If you don't have a tendency towrd insomnia, you'll probably never have one.

2.Also, be aware that if your regular dreams tend to be unpleasant, then your lucid dreams will too.

3The thing is, you're not going to gradually get more and more lucid, with the dreams lasting longer and longer. That idea of "progress" is wrong. You're going to to have lucid dreams or you're not.

these are your statements



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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

Congratulations !

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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

thank you OYABIN

ppl am i wrong in thinking what arne has said to me is incorrect, because i am sure that what little i have learned so far tells me this. im not trying to argue with people here or prove anyone wrong for my own ego, its just that, other people starting out or enquiring about LD`s might just think they are unable to do this without even trying just because they dont fit a certain category, and the only other reason i made a point about it to arne is i have asked him a few times as to why his statements are true, but he wont answer me he just tells me how skilled he is and that he has a yahoo group.
plus he tells us hes had over 2000 LD`s but he says he stoped counting at roughly 1300, so if he is not counting them how does he know its over 2000, that is some outrageous guestimate(but thats besides the point) i have read a few of his post and nearly all of what i have read seem to be negative and will just put people off.

maybe its just me that needs to shut my mouth, and if i am wrong i will give arne my humblest appolagies



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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

Argg, the wall of text. Anyway, Congrats, may many more come to you, ect.


On the topic of insomniac lucid dreamers, I don't think this is the case. A lucid dream may come more easily in light sleep, but that doesn't mean that people without insomnia will be forever lucidless.



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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

Yeah, that doesn't seem like a strong connection. I'm not a pro, but I sleep very soundly and though i've only just started to be lucid I do have very vivid dreams and good recall. My friends are more often lucid, but are sound sleepers as well. I don't really see the evidence, and, I definitely did not have the dream depth I do now before I started using a journal/other techniques, so, I think gradual buildup does play a role.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

RODDERS790 wrote:
arne saknussemm wrote:
Now wait a minute, I didn't say that only insomniacs will EVER have an LD.

And remember, I've had over 2,000, and you've had one. So maybe you should wait till you get to about, oh, maybe 20 or so before you start to tell me about them.

Lots of people in my Yahoo Group have had a few right off the bat and then never had another one, and several years have now gone by. Maybe you'll be different. But maybe not.


arne saknussemm wrote:
But realize that lucid dreaming is all about light sleep. If you don't have a tendency towrd insomnia, you'll probably never have one.


yes you did ^^^ and the info i am arguing about comes from experienced "common knowledge" dreamers not me. and once again you have come out with another empty comment.

please tell me why these statements are true

1, But realize that lucid dreaming is all about light sleep. If you don't have a tendency towrd insomnia, you'll probably never have one.

2.Also, be aware that if your regular dreams tend to be unpleasant, then your lucid dreams will too.

3The thing is, you're not going to gradually get more and more lucid, with the dreams lasting longer and longer. That idea of "progress" is wrong. You're going to to have lucid dreams or you're not.

these are your statements


And they're all true.

You probably won't have a lucid dream unless you have a tendency toward insomnia. That doesn't mean you definitely won't.

The tone of your normal dreams and your lucid dreams will be just the same. Now, you're going to get wildly exited the first few times you have one, but that'll wear off, and they'll start to become like your normal dreams, except that you'll be lucid.

And as far as "progress" goes, well, as a matter of fact I had the longest LD of my life just last week. But they're not getting steadily longer, or occurring with increasing frequency. I've just learned how to stay asleep instead of waking up. Their frequency isn't like a line that slopes upward. It's more like a wave function, with peaks where you have them and troughs where you don't.


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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

RODDERS790 wrote:
ppl am i wrong in thinking what arne has said to me is incorrect, because i am sure that what little i have learned so far tells me this.


You're not wrong at all, in my opinion. And I do agree with all the negativity being unecessary. I've seen WritersCube say over and over and over that anyone can LD, and from my experience, I agree completely. I'm guessing the people that stay so many years without a LD or aren't motivated enough or just keep trying the same things, without actually exploring how they fall asleep and dream to find out what works best for them. Some might argue with me and say "but I've given all techniques a try! I've spent a month on each and still didn't get lucid!". Well, that's still trying the same thing. Different techniques aren't working so I'd say what has to be changed is beyond techniques. There are so many people out there that take a long time to get lucid simply because they are too stubborn and only want to try out WILD, even though we all say it's not recommended for beginners...

arne saknussemm wrote:
People who are not insomniacs will probably never have one


I'm sorry, but this makes even less sense neutral I am not an insomniac (and if I'm not mistaken the great majority of the comunity here isn't either) and I've had plenty of LD's. In fact, I had terrible insomnia last night (drank a bit too much coffee lach2) and had no LD's and zero dream recall. I do see your point though, but even an insomniac has to learn to keep the mind aware and the body asleep. Someone without insomnia has to learn to keep the mind even more awake. Both sides have to practice and learn, just differently.

arne saknussemm wrote:
And remember, I've had over 2,000, and you've had one. So maybe you should wait till you get to about, oh, maybe 20 or so before you start to tell me all about them.


Well, I stopped counting my LD's at 500, and I've seen many people that have had 10-20 that have had longer and better LD's than me. So, with all due respect, numbers don't mean that much to me. And to be frank, that's not the best way to get your point across. wink Experience itself means more to me, but quality of experience, not quantity. I've learned a lot with my 500+ LD's, but only a few special dreams really tought me something. You never know what you can learn in that one dream.

Lucid Dreaming is a highly personal and subjective skill. One technique (or mindset, or food, or whatever) can give one person a 100% chance to get lucid, but it might not work at all with anyone else. So the real hard work isn't trying out all techniques, or watching every single LD'ing video or tutorial, it's simply dreaming and learning from yourself.

Spinning doesn't usually help me stabilize the dream (I usually wake up, so I use hand rubbing), but I don't go around saying that spinning isn't a good technique for dream stabilization. Most people say it's impossible to read in dreams, but I've seen a handfull of people that don't have a problem with it...

Almost forgot! congrats on the freakishly cool LD! woo




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PostPosted: Mon 13 Dec, 2010  Reply with quote

arne saknussemm wrote:

And they're all true.

You probably won't have a lucid dream unless you have a tendency toward insomnia. That doesn't mean you definitely won't.


This seems pretty preposterous. I'd like to see any data you have that reflects this. Forgive me if i'm putting the burden of proof on you, but -you're- the one making the claim. Check some of Laberge's data--i'm sure you'll find that he took a very random sample of people, not just insomniacs.

Also note that many people experience insomnia once or twice in their life, they don't have to have frequent insomnia.

Finally, and i don't speak for any mods here--only myself, but i think it's a pretty bad idea for people in the community to be negative like that. Being discouraged yourself isn't so bad, but actively telling users that can't do soemthing or probably won't be able to doesn't help build the community at all--it only drives people away. I feel most people here like to take the stance that anyone can do it if they try hard enough. Some people get it faster than others, but that doesn't make them better or worse as people, and it certainly doesn't mean we want them to stop trying.


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