EN | NL | FR
Current Wings Quest 127
LD4ALL 23rd Anniversary Party

Has anyone ever succeeded at WILD in the evening?

Post new topic Reply to topic

Author  Message 
avalinah
Learning composure
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 530
Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 25 Dec 2017
LD count: 50+
Location: Lithuania, Europe
 
Has anyone ever succeeded at WILD in the evening?
PostPosted: Wed 04 May, 2011  Reply with quote

i'm meaning to ask if anyone has succeeded in the evening rather than WBTB and doing WILD in the morning. cause i did it in the evening and got SP and this weird sense of my body and me going in separate directions and huge speeds. this is the most that i have got out of WILD so far. i tried it again when i woke up in the nighttime, but i couldn't even get to SP. my body was constantly crying to me that it wants to just go back to sleep and that i'd leave it alone.

so i want to know if WILD is generally even possible when you first go to sleep rather than WBTB. cause everyone i've asked pretty much said it's not really possible.



Current LD goal(s): DEILD
back to top
Bird
Somniologist
Somniologist
Bird has successfully completed an LD4all Quest!
32
Posts: 185
Joined: 09 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 10 Jan 2013
Location: up in the air
 
PostPosted: Wed 04 May, 2011  Reply with quote

I've been asking me the same thing! Nice you made a thread about it smile

I've been as far wild WILD in the evening as you. Complete SP, HI, pounding, strange feelings.. but never entered sleep or any dreams while still being conscious.

For waking up at night, try waking up a bit later than you already tried because I didn't succeed at WILD after 5 or 6 hours either, I have to give myself longer to rest before being able to succesfully WILD. ^^



Current LD goal(s): increase vividness and movement, ride my underwater dragon, create a landscape
back to top
Minato
Master of Tartarus
Lucid Initiate
26
Posts: 67
Joined: 02 Aug 2010
Last Visit: 06 Mar 2013
LD count: 3
Location: Making a sandwich, want one?
 
PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2011  Reply with quote

I've never had a WILD so i wouldn't know, but i find that at night i get better odds of getting to the point where SP starts creeping up from my feet and i get a fast heartbeat where as in the morning i just fall asleep again.


Current LD goal(s): To be able to stabilize a LD, To pilot a mecha robot
back to top
Huse
Somniologist
Somniologist
24
Posts: 126
Joined: 05 Feb 2010
Last Visit: 16 Apr 2012
LD count: Many
 
PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2011  Reply with quote

I think it is possible, tbh im scared of WILD. When that feeling comes from my feet up to my head, i move. So it would work if i just was brave

back to top
=ajax=
New member
New member
25
Posts: 3
Joined: 07 Dec 2010
Last Visit: 12 Sep 2011
 
PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2011  Reply with quote

it is possible, i think you need to be sharply focussed all the time, this takes training and a little experience. I never got far in wild, so to do it with WBTB is the best to train it, I think. Build up some experience with WBTB combined with WILD, and eventualy you are ready to do WILD in the evening.

back to top
avalinah
Learning composure
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 530
Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 25 Dec 2017
LD count: 50+
Location: Lithuania, Europe
 
PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2011  Reply with quote

hehe, Bird (did you change your username..? biggrin)... i actually can't afford to really wake up later to try WILD sadblauw i wake up at 4 and it's still too early it turns our (although it's like 5-6 hours of sleep already). but if i wake up at 5, i will not go to sleep properly, as mom gets up at 6 and starts messing around in the home, so there's a lot of noise. i can't get any good sleep then, it's just so light. i get messy dreams at that time usually and keep waking up due to the noise. WILD just wouldn't work in this situation hmm so i'm either stuck in the evening, or a nap... but naps are also complicated tounge1

ajax, like i said, can't really do WBTB sadblauw at least, much.

Huse, if the feeling scares you, you're just doing something a little bit wrong.. it used to have that too - where it makes you feel like you're heating up or just that your body parts are so pressurized and are gonna blow up tounge1 i used to get that, but now i know a way to get to SP without this. normal SP feels like your body parts are just gone - they're not there. no pain, no scariness tounge1 the way you do it (i learned it through meditation) is that when you lie down, you start from the top of your hear and say to yourself, my forehead is calm and relaxed.. my eyebrows are relaxed... and so on, down to your feet. by the end SP will start from your feet, but you shouldn't feel any tingling or heating sensations, they will just.. disappear tounge1 you won't know where you placed your feet or your arms xD that's not really scary, it just feels like they're invisible or something tounge1



Current LD goal(s): DEILD
back to top
Bird
Somniologist
Somniologist
Bird has successfully completed an LD4all Quest!
32
Posts: 185
Joined: 09 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 10 Jan 2013
Location: up in the air
 
PostPosted: Thu 05 May, 2011  Reply with quote

I did avalinah :D

I feel bad for you waking up that early! Is there a possibility you can go to bed an hour earlier? Or is that really too soon for you? Or maybe earplugs?

@Huse, same as avalinah said and I think that when you reached SP you shouldn't focus on your body, like don't do anything with your meridians and energy because if you do, you get poundings and feeling like you're boiling and such all not so nice feelings. You shouldn't feel your body yet you are still aware of it.



Current LD goal(s): increase vividness and movement, ride my underwater dragon, create a landscape
back to top
avalinah
Learning composure
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 530
Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 25 Dec 2017
LD count: 50+
Location: Lithuania, Europe
 
PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2011  Reply with quote

hehe i knew it :D why did you change it? i didn't even know one could change it eek2

anyways, earplugs would be nice, but then i'm afraid i wouldn't be able to wake up at all xD or maybe.. if a disaster struck.. and i slept through it... :D haha.

i don't think i can go to bed earlier, since i go to sleep at 23. although when i get a job, i might have to. getting up early bites hmm

i did almost succeed at chaining today though, but not WILD. i woke up many times, also at 5 am, so i had no other choice but to try, but WILD at night.. i can't do it tounge1 something's different, and i can't do my whole 'relax myself and go to SP' part. Chaining almost worked though smile i was seeing pictures in front of me, but i think i moved too much and then they all faded. i possibly need more practice smile almost got lucid tonight anyway. did multiple RCs, but i did them all on the verge of already waking up, ended up doing them in bed while i still though i was in a dream. wonder why is that, that's really weird. but oh well, some progress at least.



Current LD goal(s): DEILD
back to top
wolvendeer
Astral Explorer
Astral Explorer
29
Scribes
Posts: 370
Joined: 19 May 2007
Last Visit: 26 Dec 2017
LD count: 23?
 
PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2011  Reply with quote

I have read somewhere that it is possible, but I can't remember where. It will be difficult, since you get better REM cycles later in the night, but it is still possible, if more difficult. You might also try it during a nap on a day you have free.

back to top
avalinah
Learning composure
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 530
Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 25 Dec 2017
LD count: 50+
Location: Lithuania, Europe
 
PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2011  Reply with quote

tried it during the day, but usually there is not enough time for that. and i'm not sleepy enough.
during the night should be easier, but for me it's somehow harder! i don't get this. wonder why...



Current LD goal(s): DEILD
back to top
wolvendeer
Astral Explorer
Astral Explorer
29
Scribes
Posts: 370
Joined: 19 May 2007
Last Visit: 26 Dec 2017
LD count: 23?
 
PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2011  Reply with quote

It is harder during the early night because REM isn't as close as later on in the night. It is probably the same with naps as well. I wish I could find the post I read before about it. I would say find a technique and stick with it, though. See if it works for you. Maybe try some meditation as well, as that may help you out.

back to top
avalinah
Learning composure
Dream Deity
30
Posts: 530
Joined: 10 Apr 2011
Last Visit: 25 Dec 2017
LD count: 50+
Location: Lithuania, Europe
 
PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2011  Reply with quote

well, i do reach SP (but not with WBTB... my body keeps yelling at me for not letting it just sleep properly)... but i never get HI, it's just black. and it's been worse deeper into the night (like with WBTB). i think i'm too aware.
i learned to get to SP in a matter of minutes through meditation, actually. it's just that my mind never bothers to form any images or go anywhere with it. i've had a successful WILD.. only in a dream :D (i actually did WILD in a dream.. talk about lol...)



Current LD goal(s): DEILD
back to top
wolvendeer
Astral Explorer
Astral Explorer
29
Scribes
Posts: 370
Joined: 19 May 2007
Last Visit: 26 Dec 2017
LD count: 23?
 
PostPosted: Fri 06 May, 2011  Reply with quote

Have you tried rolling out of your body after you hit SP completely? Once you hit SP you're usually nearly there. Also, have you tried doing a RC to make sure you are actually still awake and not sleep-WILDing? grin1

back to top
mattias
Globahead
Globahead
mattias has successfully completed an LD4all Quest!
32
Posts: 4348
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Last Visit: 08 May 2016
 
PostPosted: Sat 07 May, 2011  Reply with quote

avalinah wrote:
i learned to get to SP in a matter of minutes through meditation, actually. it's just that my mind never bothers to form any images or go anywhere with it.


Well, this should be huge! Do you happen to be too worried or expecting images to form? Maybe if you simply try visualizing you are meditating, with your eyes closed, somewhere else (some where dreamy!) Whenever I get into SP and don't get HI (I tend to get one or the other...) I usually try to clear my mind and imagine I'm touching something. The sense of touch comes in a lot easier than the visuals.

The trouble with WILD at night, as I'm sure has been mentioned is that you take a long time to enter REM sleep. But, if I'm not mistaken, WritersCube WILD's at night. In fact I remember him saying it only takes him 5 minutes to enter a LD. So... *shrugs*

I know he's been LD'ing for 20+ years and he could probably enter a LD while fully awake too XD point is that it is possible. Just don't expect too much in case it takes 20 years to learn! tounge2


back to top
Tggtt
Host of LC60®
cookie lover
Tggtt has successfully completed an LD4all Quest!
Scribes
Posts: 1455
Joined: 13 Mar 2006
Last Visit: 10 May 2019
 
PostPosted: Sat 07 May, 2011  Reply with quote

Yes, it's possible, I succeeded on 3 WILDs from wide awake.

The secret is just being patient, AND optionally, using some techniques to quicken it.


back to top
Display posts from previous:
Post new topic Reply to topic

print  

All times are GMT + 2 Hours
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB
LD4all ~ spreading the art and knowledge of lucid dreaming online since 1996 ~