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zziga
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PostPosted: Sat 10 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

hey! i've read this thread and tried SILD out this night and it worked! the result was one DILD, medium-lucidity. i woke up in a middle of the night and did the 3 exercises for two times.then i fell asleep. i had those strange dreams, I've seen a few aurora borealis in the air, and i thought this is strange, i live in Slovenia, aurora borealis does not appear here. so i did a RC and it worked smile
definety gonna try this again tonight! smile thanks for the technique and welcome to the forum!



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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

thebotanyofsouls wrote:
By 6-8 breaths per sense I am fully paralyzed, observing steady tingling sensations, and there is 0 hypnagogic imagery behind my eyelids - just pretty colors.


These pretty colors are probably hypnagogic imagery, but just the early stages. You usually start out with colors and patterns which then start turning into more defined shapes and then full scenes. wink

And ok, I guess I should try to find a balance between falling asleep during the process and taking long to fall asleep after ir tounge2. I ended up trying it a bit this morning, but I mixed in some MILD too. Plus I did a WBTB and ate a banana, so all of those might have helped my lucidity (I didn't wake up right away, so that's cool!).


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PostPosted: Sun 11 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

mattias wrote:
thebotanyofsouls wrote:
By 6-8 breaths per sense I am fully paralyzed, observing steady tingling sensations, and there is 0 hypnagogic imagery behind my eyelids - just pretty colors.


These pretty colors are probably hypnagogic imagery, but just the early stages. You usually start out with colors and patterns which then start turning into more defined shapes and then full scenes. wink

And ok, I guess I should try to find a balance between falling asleep during the process and taking long to fall asleep after ir tounge2. I ended up trying it a bit this morning, but I mixed in some MILD too. Plus I did a WBTB and ate a banana, so all of those might have helped my lucidity (I didn't wake up right away, so that's cool!).
mattias, so it worked! smile Yes, mixing in MILD and WBTB will definitely increase your chance with SILD, or you could say vice versa, LOL.


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PostPosted: Mon 12 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

I ended up trying a bit more MILD/SILD and when I got to the hearing part I heard music vividly grin . I've heard HH music many times but I never enter a dream with it, I guess it's because it's not that simple to associate it to a dream scene. So this time I realized that and stoped focusing on the music and imagined the sound of my hands rubbing and hitting a surface, and I entered a LD from there wink

I'll keep trying this mixture of MILD and SILD plus WBTB whenever I can/remember, since I bet more practice will give me even better results.


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

So, I thought I'd check in and post my progress.

I think I'm using the WILD technique more than SILD, although I am very aware of the sensations within my body and check in with it very regularly (not counting breaths though - thanks for that tidbit!) as I go about this.

Last night I had the most intense not-quite-step through experience I've had since my first WILD! I was taking one of my late night naps (1am) and I was listening to a sleep induction track (gnAural has a couple of powernap tracks that work well for learning to nap), and the colors were just SO BRIGHT! I kept feeling lighter, and lighter, and the world outside just felt less and less distinct, and wow, the pretty colors ...

and then I was looking at my hands. I made them do a tai chi holding ball in the space, had a smile (not sure if I actually smiled) and then the wake-up cycle started, so I let it go.

Excited to get back to that place though! I think I'm making progress. gnAural has by far aided my progress in learning to nap, and thus make it deeper into SP and experiencing hypnagogia. Highly recommended - I made a 20 minute nap track for it, and if napping is a skill you'd like to learn, PM me and I'll send you the link for it.

FYI mattias, I wish I could click like on your avatar : )



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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Tried it and was successful! Just woke up minutes ago and had to rush and post this.


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

@ShaneTheShaman and @zziga, glad it worked. Please post more details when you have time as the experience will help us further improve the technique! Thank you!

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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Just one question, when you say to scan your body, do you mean to stay in a still position and feel the senses on your hands and toes, or do you actually wiggle your toes and move your hands?


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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

shane - your goal is to obtain sleep paralysis. when paralyzed, moving is either difficult (shallow paralysis) or requires all your willpower just to twitch your finger (deep paralysis). during this whole time you are scanning your body ...

keep it still buddy. use the jedi powers of your mind that the Great Pastamonster gave you.

what I do is imagine a single fingertip touching every piece of exposed skin (as a meditative exercise), then go through and scan all my muscles, ligaments, and tendons the same way, then my bones, then my organs, then all the stuff that's not corporeal, then repeat the cycle. if you try to go through that whole thing while sleeping you won't sleep, but you could take a much broader surface area and scan the skin with very little focus required (think 3 fingertips, or the palm of your hand).

fun fact: that meditative exercise, applied for 10 years straight and using increasingly smaller focus points, was how the Buddha finally attained enlightenment - it's called vipassana meditation, and is very useful for beginning and experienced meditators alike.

but this isn't a topic about meditation, it's a topic about dreaming.

My progress: 1 step forward, 3 steps back. I suffered an undesirable setback in my polyphasic adaptation today (that was my own fault) that has made my naps of supremely poor quality. I intend to keep napping through the night and continuing to apply SILD to see if I can achieve another dream body experience.



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PostPosted: Tue 13 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

ShaneTheShaman wrote:
Just one question, when you say to scan your body, do you mean to stay in a still position and feel the senses on your hands and toes, or do you actually wiggle your toes and move your hands?

Actually you can do either. Wiggling will probably create better result, but may wake you too much. You need to find what best suits you smile
thebotanyofsouls wrote:
fun fact: that meditative exercise, applied for 10 years straight and using increasingly smaller focus points, was how the Buddha finally attained enlightenment - it's called vipassana meditation, and is very useful for beginning and experienced meditators alike.

That's very interesting! I need to check that out! smile


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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

This technique is great. The first time I used it yesterday I had two lucid dreams in one night (that's super good for me) and a false awakening that I nearly caught. I recalled other more vivid dreams as well. I'm gonna use this again tonight. Thanks!


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PostPosted: Wed 14 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

I finally used this properly and had success with it. After waking up a second time I was able to easily induce a WILD as HI came on during the vision part.

I will say this, it felt a lot like I had been using a relaxation technique. In the end, I think that is what SILD really does. It relaxes your body and mind making active techniques easier, and also adds to your general awareness which seems to help with passive techniques. I'm still not prepared to call this a holy grail or miracle, but I will continue to use it because it does seem to help with very little effort.

I'm sure I'll report back later



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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Sounds very interesting. I'll try it tonight and check back tomorrow. smile

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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

I've had some pretty intense hallucinations (visual, feeling, sound) when using this technique while lying on my back. I'm uncomfortable with the idea of getting into SP as I don't want to have demons sitting on me smile

So my question is: does this technique require you to lie on your back / does it loose its effectiveness if lying on your side or stomach? For some reason I only expect to get into SP while lying on my back.

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

thaifly wrote:
So my question is: does this technique require you to lie on your back / does it loose its effectiveness if lying on your side or stomach? For some reason I only expect to get into SP while lying on my back.

Thanks.
SPs do not always occur when using SILD so don't fear too much -- it might be a different experience next time. As for your question, it doesn't matter what position you use to sleep. Just use one that's comfortable, but not so comfortable that you fall asleep right away without completing at least a few cycles.
Rhewin wrote:
I finally used this properly and had success with it. After waking up a second time I was able to easily induce a WILD as HI came on during the vision part.

Glad it worked, Rhewin. Your observation makes a lot of sense. I look forward to hear more your feedbacks.


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