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A Little Bit About Motivation!
PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

I've noticed that many dreamers struggle with motivation and another thing that I've noticed that those are mostly the dreamers that have already experienced lucid dreaming.

Many dreamers that haven't experienced lucid dreaming they have a will made of steel I mean they are determined about their goal they are keeping DJ their DR is decent and only thing that is missing is that little spark that's gonna set their dedication in the motion and finally gave them lucid dreams.

And I admire that but the real problems is in dreamers that are lucid dreamers or at least they experienced few lucid dreams and its wonders! I think that the main reason why lucid dreamers start loosing motivation is because they don't have lucid dreams on daily basis. There is no this thrill that you feel after a LD and there is no daily expectation of what knew and amazing will happen this night or next night.

After that they start to experience lack of motivation, their DR starts to fade because they don't keep their DJ and they don't keep their DJ because there is nothing to write in or so they think.

So what's the biggest difference between lucid dreamer and non lucid dreamer?!
Until one is only non lucid dreamer he enjoys in his non lucid dreams he writes them down and he is excited but when one becomes lucid dreamer he stops to enjoy non lucid dreams. He's just waiting for lucid dreams so hard that he forgets how non lucid dreams are wonderful to!

So my point is to enjoy in non lucid dreams as much you enjoy in lucid dreams. Until you learn how to do that you will struggle with many aspects of dreaming...
And in this story the one is me, the story is about me, so try to learn from my story...



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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Well said, sir!

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

I have noticed that the more you enjoy your ND's the more chances you get lucid. Probably just because you tend to have better DR and be more aware of your dreams in general. Everytime I get back to enjoying my ND's I realize again and again how increadible they can be! Having a good time with yout dreams sure helps!

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PostPosted: Wed 07 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

@ Florestan:

I'm glad that you agree! ^^

@ mattias:

Exactly. I mean at the end it all goes to NLD, because at some point every lucid dream was non lucid dream. WILD is exception but sometimes even WILD can be a normal dream at first...



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PostPosted: Fri 09 Mar, 2012  Reply with quote

Great post, I can relate to this...Suddenly what you get and achieve, like good DR or nice ND's, is not enough anymore, and that just lowers your motivation even more.


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Re: A Little Bit About Motivation!
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dB_FTS wrote:

So what's the biggest difference between lucid dreamer and non lucid dreamer?!
Until one is only non lucid dreamer he enjoys in his non lucid dreams he writes them down and he is excited but when one becomes lucid dreamer he stops to enjoy non lucid dreams. He's just waiting for lucid dreams so hard that he forgets how non lucid dreams are wonderful too!


wise words.. patience and appreciation indeed colgate
sounds like a very familiar theme, which could be applicable to countless other aspects of life... everyday life.

great message! rechterduim omhoog met knipoog



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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

This may be pure luck, but one of my strongest motivations for lucid dreams is actually memorable normal dreams.
This last night I dreamed that a rather timid and alluring girl with really beautiful curves was making some sort of dance moves at my local supermarket (of all places, lol).
She actually seemed quite shy and careful, but there as something about her behaviour that told me that it was alright for her if I checked her out without hiding it (I wasn't exactly staring like a freak, I just showed her some calm and appreciative attention on a more sexual level, like "ya baby, you are pretty") - evertime she noticed that I checked her out she gave me some sort of look like "oh, you're checking me out? Mm, that's okay...", then she gave me another quick look and kept dancing and looked kindly and shyly at me every now and then.
I loved that dream.


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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

That's the way it works, almost always first comes non lucid dream then comes lucid dreams. So it's only natural to take your non lucid dreams serious and as motivation because essentially you need them to achieve lucid ones...


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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

dB_FTS wrote:
That's the way it works, almost always first comes non lucid dream then comes lucid dreams. So it's only natural to take your non lucid dreams serious and as motivation because essentially you need them to achieve lucid ones...

Yes, after all lucid dreams are essentially normal dreams with awareness. ^^


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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Well, I couldn't agree more with you because you precisely defined my situation. The only reason I have my LD count over 20 is that I practised lucid dreaming once about a year ago and I've luckily remembered, I hope, all of them. In fact the thing that discourages me from resuming practising is I keep loosing my motivation due to the poor dream recall. Perhaps it comes out of laziness? Sometimes I just can't stay in bed for too long as I could be late for school and at the same time if I get up a little earlier, I'm drowsy throughout the whole day. This often prevents me from writing my dream journal. Alternatively I can remember only residual information which is not worth writing it down.

But enough is enough. I really need this skill and I must learn lucid dreaming to an extent when I will be able to talk with certain people. This is my main goal and I believe it would help me a lot in WL. So thanks for posting. You're right. I'il definitely work on what I neglected.



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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

DreamDiver wrote:
Alternatively I can remember only residual information which is not worth writing it down.


It is always worth writing the residual information down. This may not seem like so, but doing so may actually help you recall what you have forgotten. There have been numerous times when I went to write down a dream, and by writing down the fragmented parts that I recalled I suddenly remembered more of the dream. Therefore, you should always right down your fragments, as they may help you remember more of the dream.

Also, just the act of writing anything down is sending a signal to your subconscious that this is important, remember it! Likewise, not writing it down diminishes its importance. Therefore, again, you should always write down your fragments as they reinforce in your mind that dreams are important.

As to your condition with school / laziness: it is best that you trump laziness immediately and become diligent with your DJ. I've recently discovered that discipline is very very important when it comes to remembering your dreams. If you really want to recall your dreams and have the chance to have lucid ones you really, REALLY need to write them down. By doing so you become more familiar with the dream world, and you become more familiar with the unique aspects that set it apart from WL.

When it comes to school, I sing a similar tune. You need to at least try to keep up with your DJ during school. I myself am in college, and awake everyday at 7:30 to go to class. (After breakfast and getting dressed and stuff.. tounge2) I usually don't start writing my dreams down until after 12:30, and then they may not get finished until after 4 PM or 9 PM on some days. (Scheduling.)

For example, this morning I had two NDs and a single LD. (This is a record for me for this recall "period": three separate dreams in one night. By period I mean uninterrupted set of time in which I've diligently kept my dream journal: current is about 2 months. The record for me is 3 months no intermission. But back to the example: ) I have yet to write them down due to my classes, yet I still recall them.. fully... in decent detail.. This is something that I call Persistent Recall, and something that I have been working on for the entire past period. Recall ( Punny..) that a period is an uninterrupted set of days in which I've diligently kept my DJ. I intend for this to be my last. Discipline is important, thus, I will attempt to not stop writing my dreams down. Ever.

Long paragraph.. Sorry. tounge2 My point, simply put, is that you must DJ. It greatly improves your recall, both long-term and level of detail. If you're having trouble getting your recall off the ground, then I'd suggest doing a WBTB and trying to remember dreams that way. Of course, you could just write the bits and pieces you recall day to day down, and over time, if you persist, your recall will improve.

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Well.. since most of that was directed at a topic other than the one the thread was created for, I'll post my thoughts about the thread here. tounge2 (Again long post, sorry.. tounge2)

dB_FTS: I greatly agree with you. in fact, it greatly describes my last three years of LDing. I was gung-ho about dreams in general when I first started LDing. So much so in fact that two days after I began I had my first and second LDs. Since then it was an approximate downhill bumpy road in which I on and off kept my DJ and rarely had LDs. I was let down, discouraged. I had forgotten how wonderful dreams are in general.

Now, I'm hoping to change that. I still want to have regular LDs, but I'm aiming for consistent recall before I go for consistent LDs. Any LDs I have right now are just icing. They are something nice, but not the main goal for my level of experience.

(Again: Long LONG post.. Sorry.. tounge2) Well said, man. Well said.



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PostPosted: Wed 03 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Scipio Xaos wrote:
Also, just the act of writing anything down is sending a signal to your subconscious that this is important, remember it! Likewise, not writing it down diminishes its importance. Therefore, again, you should always write down your fragments as they reinforce in your mind that dreams are important.


I have never thought about this that way. It could actually help. I'il remember that.
Also thank you for rest of the tips you gave me. It's time to go to bed. Let's start again :D

EDIT: @Scipio Xaos: I woke up and... I must say you had a sensational effect upon me :D I suddenly was able to recall 7 dreams, short, yet pretty vivid. Also I got one LD in which I screamed for no reason (it's a dream, it's a dream!!! while looking at my 7-fingered hand - that was scary) and two SP. Furthermore in one of my dreams random DC quoted what you posted here about dream recall and motivation. I lost every single opportunity to develop my LDing except for impressive number of dreams I remembered. I know it's not going to be like that always, but that's a good signal I think :D Regards.



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PostPosted: Thu 04 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

I have the same DJ problem.
Actually although I do remember quite a lot of my last night's dream (at least 3-4 different places that I could even more or less connect together as a single storyline), I still didn't care about writing it down, so I'm sure I could remember even more if I lay still for a while and went through the dream some more.
But I guess any piece of DR is great, and I will just need to remember writing things down in the future.


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PostPosted: Thu 04 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Scipio Xaos wrote:
It is always worth writing the residual information down. This may not seem like so, but doing so may actually help you recall what you have forgotten. There have been numerous times when I went to write down a dream, and by writing down the fragmented parts that I recalled I suddenly remembered more of the dream. Therefore, you should always right down your fragments, as they may help you remember more of the dream.


I agree.

Scipio Xaos wrote:
I still want to have regular LDs, but I'm aiming for consistent recall before I go for consistent LDs. Any LDs I have right now are just icing. They are something nice, but not the main goal for my level of experience.


Well this is something on what I agree also. People usually jump right to idea of lucid dreaming and everything before that they neglect. But whit time and little bit of research they come back to bases... ^^

DreamDiver wrote:
EDIT: @Scipio Xaos: I woke up and... I must say you had a sensational effect upon me :D I suddenly was able to recall 7 dreams, short, yet pretty vivid. Also I got one LD in which I screamed for no reason (it's a dream, it's a dream!!! while looking at my 7-fingered hand - that was scary) and two SP. Furthermore in one of my dreams random DC quoted what you posted here about dream recall and motivation. I lost every single opportunity to develop my LDing except for impressive number of dreams I remembered. I know it's not going to be like that always, but that's a good signal I think :D Regards.


That's the thing. When you are motivated then you DR is amazing. I remember my first days of practicing LD'ing. I'm having my first DJ here and I'm going through and reading my first dreams. And it was amazing. I was so motivated that I would wake up on my own after every dream(I believe that it was almost every dream) finished and I wrote it down in my DJ...

Motivation is almost everything. From motivation you can do whatever you want and it's so easy that people usually don't believe stories that motivated person tells!

Good luck to all of you! ^^



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PostPosted: Thu 04 Oct, 2012  Reply with quote

Since you're all talking about DJ I'll add a bit of my experience

1- Typing my dreams out on the computer instead of writing them on paper helped me a LOT in terms of interest, since I can type a lot more before getting tired.

2- Record as MUCH as possible. Instead of "I see a house", write "I see a small house with a round window. The roof is green and there are birds in the sky. It reminds me of where I grew up."

3- If you only remember random fragments, write them down. If you only have a vague feeling you dreamed about carrots, write that down. It doesn't really matter if you did or not dream about carrots, just write it down.

4- Write down what all your senses pick up.

5- If you have to wake up early, do the exact same thing, just don't expect to have great recall. Be happy with a small fragment and explore it as much as you can.

When I did all this I have to say I got the most amazing recall I've ever had and I've never had that much fun with my dreams. LD's came naturally, with little use of techniques. Also, this might seem like "too much to handle", specailly if you aren't feeling motivated. I suggest not taking it too seriously, don't demand it of yourself. Just try it out a few days. For me I was only able to actually type out 9 pages of dreams because it started becoming so much fun!

Anyway, good luck :D


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