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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jan, 2004  Reply with quote

yes, i understand him and lucidity_master are really getting high in the ranks... thanks for the response r3.

well i guess your extreme proof pedro that a WILD type technique can bring you into a dream upon first sleep.


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Pedro,

How long did it take you from when you first started doing VILD until you were having such great success? Also, did you practice visualization much before you created VILD?


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

VILD has given me 100% success so far. So it worked from the word go...you gotta be good at visualization.

If your really wondering how long everything took me then look in the Dream Diary area for a thread called "Pedro's Lucid Timeline". Someone asked if I would make that thread coz they were asking similar questions.

Have fun!


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Thanks. I'll check it out.

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

I made up my own Vild method.
Nice post pedro, sounds like one of the most enjoyable methods if you can get it to work smile
Thats why i put some effort in making my incubated dream.

This is how it should go

I am sitting in a big room whit Morpheus. The rooms looks like some kind of a 3D world. He tells me 'Bj÷rn, You are dreaming. You should do some RC to check it. So i do that and i become lucid, jeej grin. I thank him and tell him i hope he can help me become lucid in more dreams. (I find the nose RC nice btw, so i took those 2 + a book thats in front of me wich i can check.)
The room looks like this ->
I made some more pics so i can imagine it better:



So what do you think, sound like a bulletproof plan or some faults in that?




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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Here is the question smile

Do you still use the same ritual before going to bed if you want LD?
the eating something drinking, reading thing?

Or do you just get in your bed, vizualize your dream and go to sleep?
and maybe its hard to tell, but like how many times do you rerun that dream before falling asleep?


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Pedro,
are we supposed to visualize ourselves doing the reality checks and having them fail, succeed or actually try to do the reality checks each time? I assume we should have them tell us we're dreaming, whether thats considered having the reality check succeed or fail I'm not sure.


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Success for a reality check means that you get the true result. And you're imagining that you're dreaming, so imagine that it gives the true result, i.e. shows you as dreaming.

(Pedro already answered this question for me)


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PostPosted: Tue 24 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Thanks r3m0t....yeah he's right. I always see myself doing the RC and realizing that I am dreaming.

I'm not sure how many times I run through my scene and it is very different each night though, I can tell you that! Depends how tired I am. Yes I always do the same thing before bed.....I always eat and drink coz...well I'm hungry and thristy lol. And I always read for a while to get tired....unless I am extremely tired for some reason.


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Quote:
YOU do not see because it's your EYES that see.

I'm not sure of this. Your eyes are simply plug and wait and play instruments. This plug wait play is also desmonstrated with science, where they have mamnaged to make artificial "eyes" and interface them, by electrodes on the tounge.

Your brain takes the data and organises it. But the funny thing is, that a blind from birth person does see objects in their minds. Therefore, I would conclude, it is the brain that sees, but it does not sense.

I am not being picky, I am just getting confused by what the tern "see" is being used like.

You could say the eye sees (as in senses), or you could say the brain sees, as in, it is the place where images, the world are reconstructed, from 2D, to 3D.



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PostPosted: Wed 25 Feb, 2004  Reply with quote

Infact, when I think upon it, images themselves do not exist. A literal visualisation of the world around would be millions of photons (light). The world is a "model" Our eyes sense, our brain sees the way the model it has designed guides it.


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PostPosted: Mon 01 Mar, 2004  Reply with quote

I have tried VILD two nights in a row, but no luck so far. It seems to keep me awake a little longer than usual and instead of falling asleep i almost WILD. Three things apparently can happen when I'm about to WILD when going to bed.

1. I become aware that I'm about to WILD, and I wake up.
2. I suddenly can't remember some part of the VILD scene, and I force myself to remember, and I wake up.
3. Suddenly things start changing and images start popping up in my head. And i either fall asleep or wake up.

Does anyone have any ideas on what to do. Last night i kept on running my VILD scene for over one hour before finally falling asleep. Should I just keep on practicing?


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PostPosted: Fri 05 Mar, 2004  Reply with quote

Those are the same exact problems I'm having. (btw, thanks for the VILD instructions Pedro) I think the reason why it's so hard is because we're trying to visualize a room that we've never seen. If we were to see a photograph of the room, it'd be much easier to imagine it. I'm thinking that maybe if we construct this room with little dream pieces from previous dreamscenes...or by using environments from reallife, it might make visualizing this room easier.

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PostPosted: Fri 05 Mar, 2004  Reply with quote

I use my livingroom so it's familiar to me. I have tried using VILD for a week now but no success sadblauw . Maybe I should try WBTB with VILD and I might be more successful, because if I wake up in the morning with the intention of WILDing or WBTB I'm usually so tired that I fall asleep within 1 min.

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PostPosted: Sat 06 Mar, 2004  Reply with quote

Here's a suggestion: practice with what's easier for you to visualize. For example, through practice Iv'e found that certain colors, shapes, motions, etc. are much easier to hold in my mind than others. Although I don't use VILD myself, if I did I would probably keep my room extremely simple (as Pedro said) with a yellow ceiling, white walls, and a hardwood floor. This combo just seems to work very well for me, though it's different for everyone. The only thing I might have against JaRoD's idea of using a room familiar to you is that it still might be too complicated for some people to fall asleep while imagining it.

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