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Insomnia - Can't sleep! Part I

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mystic
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PostPosted: Thu 11 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Guess you're right.. Heh yeah I'm also pretty excited about it smile But he's confident he'll get some awesome results.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Mormor wrote:
Since the last like 5 times i have done that i have experiensed extreeeeeeem stomache pain.....

Some people cannot digest milk. That's rather curious: you live in Sweden, and nordic people generally can disgest milk (it's quite their only D vitamine source, as there is not a lot of sun).


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Ahhh! Nothing is working tonight! I've tried everything! Reading, milk, expressing myself through some bad poetry....Even doubled up on the trazadone! Dry mouth big time but no sleep! WTF! Anybody got a hammer or a bat? Just knock me out already!

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Perhaps if you're really tired now, you might easily fall asleep the next evening smile

A friend of mine is suffering from some really bad sleeping problems. She tried almost every thing, especially herbal teas and pills. She can't bear large amounts of vitamins or valerian for instance.. Some time ago she even tried meditation and breathing exercises, but she failed to relax. Because of her sometimes-very-hysterical mind, she had to take sedatives, and those were the only means by which she was able to have a good night. She claims that once you've taken these synthetic drugs, all the natural, herbal cures won't have any effect anymore.. Unfortunately her situation is getting really worse these days, so hopefully she won't get addicted to these sedatives. Therefore, does anyone perhaps know of another thing she might try, which might help her to get a decent night of sleep?


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

I found this out last night; a small glass of red wine helps, but don't drink so much you'll get drunk, because that'll inhibit your REM sleep.

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

If you start w/ stuff like red wine and seditatives though your tolerence will go up. Some quicker than others.
Mystic, if your friend is taking benzo's on a regular basis to help her sleep then she needs to be tapered off before she tries anything else. Her central nervous system has to get used to her not having them in her system and if she cuts them off entirely she will just go into WD.


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Anamcara wrote:
If you start w/ stuff like red wine and seditatives though your tolerence will go up. Some quicker than others.


Luckily I am only befallen by insomnia rarely smile, but yeah, its only a short term solution.


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Mystic, perhaps the fact that one is so extremely preoccupied with wanting to sleep so badly, makes it inpossible to do so witout medicines? The only thing that ever worked for me was an attitude change into not caring, but perhaps that's a bit too much asked from someone who is suffering badly from insomnia.

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small glass of red wine helps, but don't drink so much you'll get drunk, because that'll inhibit your REM sleep.

However it also creates REM rebound later during sleep, so you have more chances on LD's then tounge2 .... personally I had some good experience on moderate alcohol consumption ...


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mystic
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PostPosted: Sat 13 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Yeah you might be right.. Still, it must be hard for her not to use sedatives ever again I think. If she doesn't take them, she'll have very bad nights, and so she takes them just to have some rest. I don't think she's in for an attitude change.. If I see her again, I'll suggest it though smile

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PostPosted: Mon 22 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

This site has good relaxation techniques.
http://swamij.com/index-yoga-meditation-practices.htm
Sometimes when I can't fall asleep I just do something similar to 61 ponits (instead of doing each part individualy I do the body as a whole) several times until my body feels like a lump of dead meat. (very relaxing!) It becomeas easeir to fall asleep.


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

i found this article with helpful tips. Hope it is of help to anyone.
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Turo-Shields8.html


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

I would not recomend taking anything that will metabolize into norepinephrine as that is also released by the brain in responce to such drugs as amphetamine and substituted amphetamine salts although I would imagine in much greater amounts. So don't try because you would not want any tweakish chemicals in your brain when trying to sleep. Also I think that LD awarness comes from frontal lobe activity and is much less centered on nerochemicals. The lucid part I think is simply the most self aware part of the brain observing and controling the more base aspects.

Of course Im no nerochemist so YMMV but bacon before bed seems wrong no matter what neutral


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PostPosted: Mon 29 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

Mystic I hope your friend doesn't get used to those damned things... For her sake.

I've been suffering from some insomnia lately. But I'm sure it'll pass. It has to.


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PostPosted: Wed 31 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

I have been having a really strange sleeping problem lately.
I'm a newbie and I have been reading about LD for a couple of weeks now. I'm very very motivated (maybe too much) and also interested.

When I go to bed at night, I start thinkin about LD almost immediately when I close my eyes and then my pulse rises suddenly and my heart beats fast. It's because I get too exited about dreaming . I have been lying in bed hours after hours and have tried thousands of tricks to point my thought somewhere else but dreaming without any success. Of course I can stay up until I can't direct my thoughts anywhere, but this means staying up for 2 days and I can't remember my dreams for the night if I do that. Anyway, I have been doing that over an week now cry . 2 days up-sleep-2days up-sleep etc.

This is drivin' me nuts!


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PostPosted: Wed 31 Aug, 2005  Reply with quote

How about using Brainwave generator or another Binaural beat program or Cd.Walmart sells a Cd called "Sleep" that works
pretty well for me.
Or did someone suggest this already and I missed it.


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