Ok, so I tried a WILD for the first time (seriously) after practicing entering the Lucid trance using Jamie Alexanders LDOC method.
In his book, he explains a way to practice the sensations you should be getting when you are close to sleep during a wild, through practicing meditation.
I have been practicing where possible (its noisy in our house - we live on a main road and the kids wake up all the time). but generally, the sensations I feel up to a point are like tingles. My body tingles for a while when i focus on my head or my breathing, then from there I feel like I’m bobbing on water, like a ripple… although I’ve only managed to get to the ripple feeling once and not been disturbed.
Once I got this feeling of intense frustration and anger, so powerful that I had to give up and open my eyes. Is this a usual thing to happen? I don’t know why I was so frustrated or angry, I felt quite relaxed!
My question is, where do you go from here. I start to see flashing lights in the darkness behind my eyes, I feel the bobbing sensation, and i’m combining with WBTB, but nothing ever seems to progress past that.
From my own experience and situations I found myself in, your problem is that you are stuck at this specific part of doing WILD. You obviously need to progress from having this various body sensations as you stated yourself toward having lucid dreams or dreams at least.
Now this isn’t me trying to be sarcastic but dreamers usually tend to forget that in order to star having dreams one needs to fall asleep in order for the body/brain to start going through sleep cycles from which one is REM cycle in which we mostly dream.
So when you are in bed going through this body sensations naturally you are maintaining pretty high awareness just to keep track of them and not falling asleep which is exactly what you need to do accordingly to each and every tutorial that you can find out here. But logically looking at this situation, keeping that high awareness will eventually keep you awake for to long and you will get frustrated and angry with time just because your body/mind can’t fall asleep and enter the dream world because you are not letting yourself to do that.
All those tutorials are misleading in a way because they tell you to stay awake and aware and they don’t tell you that you need to actually fall asleep at one point and that is exactly what you need to do. Now tutorials also are wrong on one more thing and that is body position(being on your back) and not moving at all policy.
This is wrong only because of one simple reason at that is again you falling asleep, it is ok to be on your back and not moving at all if that doesn’t prevent you from falling asleep but if it does you should change the sleeping position and move, scratch and do whatever you need until it makes you comfortable and able to fall asleep.
I did too do the same thing. Going through each and every step from the tutorials and each and every time I was stuck at the same step so one night I decided to do things differently. When I do WILD I always get this specific sensation through my whole body, the sensation of enormous energy rush and vibration. If I don’t act from that point on I know I missed my chance to do WILD at that moment because this is my cue that it’s time to make a transition from waking state to dream world.
So one night as every night before I got to this point when I got this specific body sensation and what I did wasn’t suggested in any tutorial that I have red before and what I did is simply made a decision that I will let go of awareness and stop tracking any sensations and any sensory input whats so ever and just let myself fall asleep.
This was a giant leap in my quest for lucidity because the next fraction of a second I was in a dream. Fully aware of the fact that I am in a dream that is I was LUCID!
The next night I did the same thing because at first I thought it was purely luck and I needed to confirm for myself that this was actually a way a technique not just a random luck and I was successful yet again.
And again and again and again. I knew that this is the way for me to do WILD. Now I know that the problem was that I didn’t let my body/brain to fall asleep and normally I couldn’t dream. Now you need to figure out when is your cue when you need to let go of awareness. Later on with time I worked on different ways of making a transitions which are even better then just letting yourself fall asleep.
Well I hope this makes sense to you and I hope I helped even a little bit!
Hi db_FTS thanks for that really insightful response.
I’d just like to ask you a few questions on your technique if you don’t mind me asking.
I think I understand what you mean when you get the sensations in your body, I get like a tingling feeling and start to see lights in my eyes, not much but there is definitely something there.
So, you then say you let go of your awareness and fall asleep? How do you do that exactly? If I were to fall asleep, I would have to be on my side. Therefore, are you saying that I should be in my most comfortable position once I begin the WILD? Or do I move mid WILD after I feel the sensations?
I think WILD is the way to go for me, because with DILD and MILD I am seeing zero returns, I’ve been doing my RC and trying to boost my awareness, but I just don’t think my current lifestyle, IE being a parent and not having a minute to myself, is conducive with long lie ins, and being able to re-enter rem after a lengthy WBTB. Even on the occasions I do manage to sleep in (which will be from about 7-9am) my dream self is totally unaware of the dream. Its very frustrating.
So if i could take control of the process and WILD on my own schedule, in the middle of the night after a WBTB, I think I may be able to practice my WILD technique on a regular basis.
I tried the other night on my back after a WBTB, but I fell asleep pretty quick. Maybe I need to get up for a bit longer.
When it comes to sensations whether they are body sensations, visual sensations or hearing sensations they are all hypnagogic hallucinations(when it comes to falling asleep. when you wake up and have similar sensations they are called hynapompic hallucinations - meaning upon waking up) and you need to treat them and recognize them as such. They are very powerful tool and indicators for WILD.
When I look back at my learning curve of the WILD I was stuck for quite some time at that point that we are discussing and to be honest I think I was lucky because spending so much time in this hypnagogic state I learned a lot about my hallucinations and I learned how to used them in my own advantage. With time you learn that you can control them as you can control the dream. You can learn how much you can play with them, how much you can bend the rules and how far you can go.
I found how far I can go because whenever I would go too far I would not make a transition and be in dream but quite the opposite I was awake and so fully awake that it didn’t matter how tough day I had or how much exhausted I was, I felt so awake that I couldn’t fall asleep for hours, it was some kind of insomnia for me…
Of course there are a lot of dreamers that do exactly that, they play with HH and they use them to make a transition directly. I’m just not one of them. So my advice is to try explore this hypnagogic state as much as possible and don’t look at it as wasting time because you might find it very useful later on.
This is part which comes immediately after experiencing all those HH. That’s why is important to get to know yourself in hypnagogic state because you know how further you can go before it’s time to let go and make a transition in the dream world. Yes it’s a fine line between waking state and dream state and that’s why I consider to be important to stay in hypnagogic state the right amount of time but the problem is that not always or to better say ever you will be able to say exactly how much time you need to be in this state you will know it by the feeling. In all those tries of mine I would always got to the same feeling of energy rush and vibration, it was very distinguished from everything else. You need to find that point in hypnagogic state for yourself and then let go.
How will you let go is completely on you, there is a lot of experimentation in play here and give yourself time. When it comes to falling asleep and body positioning I can’t stress enough how important is to not starting to do some weird(for you weird) body positions and then expecting to fall asleep. You do already a lot out of your sleeping routine and then trying to fall asleep in weird position will only make things a lot worse. I found that out a hard way.
So when I go to sleep I usually go through 3 different body positions. Firstly I just rest and relax on my back because it feels so damn good after the whole day. After that position isn’t comfortable any more I usually switch to my right side and then finally on left or sometimes there first left and then right. How long I spent on each side it purely depends on the feeling, how I feel at that moment. It really doesn’t have anything to do with lucid dreaming but simply with falling asleep.
If you really look at the WILD, it is quite complicated process but when you look at it from the point that WILD technique is only knowing how to fall asleep properly then it becomes a lot less complicated.
When it comes to letting go/making transition I would advice again to try experimenting with those body sensations, see how far it goes, try to find a point from which nothing else happens, in sense that you know you will wake up or fall asleep. You may say: but you said you need to fall asleep. And yes you do but not just fall asleep because you gave up and you see no other way to continue but consciously fall asleep, consciously let go. Because if you review all the so called “fails” after you let go you did fall asleep quite fast and you woke up knowing you had a dream but not recognizing that it is a dream.
Few things happen when you gave up after some time of doing WILD. First of all you kept awareness for quite some time(there are also cases where dreamer does have a lucid dream later on but it’s classified as DILD not WILD, because dreamer recognizes the dream when it’s already in a dream and he recognizes the dream because he kept high awareness for quite some time before letting go) and then you let go, you have a decent dream recall and sometimes a DILD which I mentioned but never a true WILD.
But when you let go unconsciously you don’t go to the point where the dream is just a second away, you practically fall asleep in a old fashioned way. When you find your distinguished point in hypnagogia try fall asleep consciously. How you do that? Well first of all recognize this point while in hypnagogia and then just say: ■■■■■ it, I’m gonna fall asleep now” and just let go yourself to those feeling, let it overwhelm you like warm water on a cold day and you’ll see you will be in a dream next second.
Of course there’s a chance that this won’t work for you which is quite normal but that’s why you have freedom to experiment with things. Other ways that I do transition is using HH. When I mention before playing with those hallucinations you can make yourself float or sink into mattress and imagine yourself waking up in a dream bed, it is actually the same thing only little bit different.
And now maybe the most important thing that I don’t see other dreamers saying, why? I don’t know but keep in mind that this is my own believe on how things work.
When you doing WILD and when you find your point in hypnagogia and when you let go I do believe that there is a split second of time where we lose awareness. Waking awareness, dream awareness and awareness whats so ever. I believe that this is the point of falling asleep. I believe that there must be a point where we break from waking life and emerge in dream life. I say that because every time I do WILD and transition no matter which way I always can’t account this time of a split second. No matter how much aware I am on transition(no matter which way again) I do lose awareness/consciousness before I find myself in a dream. I believe that’s the point where brain turns dream switch on…
Great post dB_FTS… I’m concentrating on WILD and this post helped a lot. I get to the “point” a lot, but not quite over the line. I wasn’t concerned, I’m quite relaxed as it’s all getting me closer and closer to my goal, but you’ve just made me more confident in my progress so far.
WILD had become a huge topic lately. Im excited since its the technique I am using .
@dB_FTS thanks for knowledge. Im stuck at that HI stage and I guess I should start playing with it instead of looking for the dream.
One thing that has me curious about WILD>I read that if the HI stops and you only see black to try to open your eyes because your dream eyes are closed? is that true?
I’m starting to come to the conclusion that, although there are defined techniques for WILD and DILD etc, that the entire process varies greatly from person to person. Every time someone explains the process, it’s a little different, containing a little personal flavor or a personal slant on the process itself.
When you say “play with the HH”, it seems similar to what jamie alexander of lucidability.com blog calls “the trance state”. Where you can influence your senses by moving the HH. Move them up and you feel like you are moving downwards, move into them and you feel you can move forwards etc.
From there, people talk about making the “transition” to the dream, which I don’t think can be accurately conveyed with words. It’s a very abstract concept.
Last night, I attempted to get into this trance state. The furthest I get is lying on my back, and i feel the vibrations in my arms and legs and head. I try to stay focused on one thing (either my breathing, or the back of my head as it touches the pillow). These feelings persist and i thought I was getting somewhere, but the baby made a noise and I opened my eyes, and the feelings were still there… So, maybe I was not getting anywhere, just going numb from lying on the bed too long.
I feel frustrated. I do my RC every day and try to write my DJ. But the last two days I haven;t remembered any dreams at all. I did have a drink on Saturday but only one. I’ll just keep trying I guess.
Last night I think I fell asleep while I was trying to get into the trance state, but I woke up extremely alert and covered in sweat. It wasn’t a particularly warm night, quite the opposite in fact. Took me ages to go back to sleep. I tried to WILD again in the bed but the baby woke and I had to get him in the bed with me, his noises kept me from trying again in the end I just set my dream intention and said my mantra, eventually I fell asleep. I woke in the morning with no recall at all.
Nevertheless, thanks for the advice and the insight as always this forum and its members are great.
Thanks Strangegravy. Experimentation is the key for lucid dreaming because of what DreamerDad said in his post:
That’s why I always tell people to be somewhat cautious about every tutorial and way and mine too, it’s not bulletproof not even for me… You can take everything in and try it but along the way to get real results you need to twist and bend the ways and rules of the others in order to make them work for you!
WILD was always a huge topic but it has ups and downs as everything
About HI - it could be that you are in a dream but doesn’t have to be a rule. That’s why it’s important to RC upon awakening and in between the practices because you could always achieve lucidity and not be aware of it. I’ve never actually have this happen to me to stop having HI and then find myself in a dream. Only when I loose HI is the point where I lose consciousness completely due to the fact that I am transitioning from waking state to dream state but as soon as I loose consciousness I start to see the dream. Sometimes is image after image like a slideshow but most of the times it’s a dream story already in play.
I don’t wanna discourage you but this could very easily be that you were going numb but it doesn’t have to be… But remember that you wanna be in a process of falling asleep, you wanna let your body to fall asleep but you need to keep that spark of awareness “on” and witness the process of falling asleep… So after relaxing and meditating and getting into trance don’t be afraid to move, don’t be afraid of scratch the itch or anything else because going against it will make more damage then good. So if you do have a favorite position for falling asleep move to that position when you think it’s time actually to fall asleep. Of course you will have to maintain some level of awareness while in that favorite position as you are falling asleep.
If I learned something then I learned that DR is one thing that is very important but parallel to that the only thing that you shouldn’t get frustrated about because it’s the most unstable factor in lucid dreaming. Whatever changes in your life, whatever happens good or bed, whatever you eat, feel, do usually effects the DR and with time it normalizes itself to what it was. So no reason to stop doing everything that you were doing to keep DR good just because is going crazy some days of a few days in a row, it’s a normal thing.
I had good results with alcohol. (Not promoting drinking of course ) Sometimes when I drank a little bit more helped me feel as I was already in this hypnagogic state and somehow it helped me to recognize the dream. Also black budweiser did boost my DR, and it was tested so I can say for sure that it helped but not more then 2 0.5l beers. I guess it has something of ingredients that help to remember dreams.
Having a child you must break your sleep cycles a lot and it’s not a surprise that you don’t remember dreams sometimes. I don’t know how old you child is but I guess that the baby will too start having routine in waking up at night if already doesn’t(of course it’s the baby so expecting the unexpected counts here) so I guess that your sleep cycle will adapt to that and like I said before give time to whatever change comes to your life…
Thanks guys again really especially dB_FTS for your input.
How do you experience your HI? For me I think I see HI, as dB said I get feelings and see the darkness change shape a bit, patches of light. I don’t see any dots and I don’t see anything concrete. Just wobbling blackness. One time I felt like I was “bobbing” on water, that felt great!
Thanks! And to you my friend!
I’m curious to your method of how you manage to hold on to your concious mind, as you fall asleep. For me, the closest I’ve got to this point is witnessing my mind wander, random thoughts emerge and break my concentration on my anchor or my point of focus (breathing, sensations etc). How do you make the transition and what does it feel like to you. Apologies if you have made a tutorial somewhere and I’ve missed it.
I took your advice not to worry last night, and I just thought, tonight i’m going to go alseep and not worry. If I wake up, i’ll try to WILD, if not, then it doesn’t matter. I went to bed early. I ended up having the most vivid dream i’ve ever had. For the first time I believe I saw colour in the dream and could remember whole conversations with characters in the dream. I remember looking at pictures and hearing music and crazy plots. I didn’t go lucid or even consider the fact I could be dreaming, but nevertheless, it was a god experience.
I woke up about 6am, and I think I could have attempted the WILD then, I just sort of felt like I was in the right state of mind and body state, totally relaxed and could see flashes when I closed my eyes. But the baby woke and I had to get up with him. Sometimes you are so focused on the end goal (lucidity) that it’s hard to see the progress. A week ago I didn’t even know what a WILD was.
Thanks guys again really especially dB_FTS for your input.
How do you experience your HI? For me I think I see HI, as dB said I get feelings and see the darkness change shape a bit, patches of light. I don’t see any dots and I don’t see anything concrete. Just wobbling blackness. One time I felt like I was “bobbing” on water, that felt great!
Thanks! And to you my friend!
I’m curious to your method of how you manage to hold on to your concious mind, as you fall asleep. For me, the closest I’ve got to this point is witnessing my mind wander, random thoughts emerge and break my concentration on my anchor or my point of focus (breathing, sensations etc). Then I suddenly SNAP back to focus. I get stuck in this loop and can’t sleep, or just nod off. How do you make the transition and what does it feel like to you. Apologies if you have made a tutorial somewhere and I’ve missed it.
I took your advice not to worry last night, and I just thought, tonight i’m going to go alseep and not worry. If I wake up, i’ll try to WILD, if not, then it doesn’t matter. I went to bed early. I ended up having the most vivid dream i’ve ever had. For the first time I believe I saw colour in the dream and could remember whole conversations with characters in the dream. I remember looking at pictures and hearing music and crazy plots. I didn’t go lucid or even consider the fact I could be dreaming, but nevertheless, it was a good experience.
I woke up about 6am, and I think I could have attempted the WILD then, I just sort of felt like I was in the right state of mind and body state, totally relaxed and could see flashes when I closed my eyes. But the baby woke and I had to get up with him. Sometimes you are so focused on the end goal (lucidity) that it’s hard to see the progress. A week ago I didn’t even know what a WILD was.
First of all I wake up after at least 4 hours of sleep, take a leak and drink some water. I try to find some balance between being awake and asleep but that doesn’t require to much of my time.
So when I’m back to bed first thing I need to do is to become relaxed. I relax my body first because it’s sometimes a big obstacle for lucid dreaming. Like I said I lay on my back to do that and I don’t deprive myself of a good scratch or a yawn or changing position when I feel like to…
Then just going over thoughts in my mind and if they are about job and other stupid things I refocus on my intention to remember dreams. When I get my thoughts in order or at least getting rid off those that I don’t like I start observing, acknowledging and letting go each and every thought that comes on my mind. It’s a type of meditation, the key is acknowledging and letting go every thought not being preoccupied by a specific thought. That will make you extremely aware and usually this process puts me in some kind of trance, even into higher awareness.
From that point when you acknowledging everything that is happening to you at that point sudden changes that would indicate hypnagogia or even dream forming isn’t so strange anymore. The fact that you are still very aware of everything that is happening consciously acknowledging that the point for transition is near and then consciously letting go isn’t that hard or awkward thing to do because you will in that moment realize that there isn’t much you can do.
You will realize that you are at point where you either make a transition or break the whole cycle of becoming lucid.
While in that process of acknowledging thoughts and starting to experience hypnagogia if you choose to interact with HH you can make various ways of transition which I mentioned before.
Sometimes when I’m more tired and when I feel like I can’t go through that process of meditation and all that when I know that I will be very fast gone in the dream world I try to make a hard focus on something like my hand underneath my pillow of anything else. In that state of mind every sudden change will also be easily noticed because your mind will start to create things and questions and images and only thing you have in your mind is how your head is pressing down your hand which is beneath your pillow…
Like you said it yourself, many different ways depending on the dreamer that is telling the story so try to take everything in and change it as you like…
That’s great, you see, sometimes letting go isn’t that bad idea, the same concept works with keeping and letting awareness at the right time.
That’s cool, I bet that you would succeed in that WILD but don’t worry, every night you have a chance and you have a lot of nights before you.
My main focus is just remembering dreams. Remembering dreams is the most important and from that everything falls into right place and then things become much easier…
Well, another failed attempt last night. I woke about 4am and thought, perfect! time to WILD, I needed the toilet but didn’t get up initially as I didn’t want to wake up too much. So I started to relax and BAM, I was in a normal dream
It was very vivid, I remember a lot of it, and i woke near enough in the same position, badly needing the toilet. I was shocked awake by the dream and then went to the toilet.
I went back to bed, and try as I might, I was now too awake. Which is no good because I’ve really at this point only had 6 hours sleep and I have a full days work ahead of me. I’ll have to go to bed early to pay that debt off.
I either, fall into a catatonic normal dream, (which are increasing in vividness which may be a good sign.), where I completely fail to even entertain the fact I might be dreaming, or I am too awake and can’t even get back to sleep when i abandon the WILD.
It’s frustrating because everyone on the forum at least reports some kind of SP or sensations or something. having said that, i think at one point I started to hear a whoosh, like a blast of air going louder then quieter then louder then quieter, but only for a couple of seconds.
My main problem is, when I start to drift off, I SNAP back awake. I try to focus on something but always SNAP back, drifting off, SNAP back… arg!
I think i’ll take a break tomorrow and fall back on DILD, then try again the day after tomorrow. I need more sleep.
Well, another failed attempt last night. I woke about 4am and thought, perfect! time to WILD, I needed the toilet but didn’t get up initially as I didn’t want to wake up too much. So I started to relax and BAM, I was in a normal dream
It was very vivid, I remember a lot of it, and i woke near enough in the same position, badly needing the toilet. I was shocked awake by the dream and then went to the toilet.
I went back to bed, and try as I might, I was now too awake. Which is no good because I’ve really at this point only had 6 hours sleep and I have a full days work ahead of me. I’ll have to go to bed early to pay that debt off.
I either, fall into a catatonic normal dream, (which are increasing in vividness which may be a good sign.), where I completely fail to even entertain the fact I might be dreaming, or I am too awake and can’t even get back to sleep when i abandon the WILD.
It’s frustrating because everyone on the forum at least reports some kind of SP or sensations or something. having said that, i think at one point I started to hear a whoosh, like a blast of air going louder then quieter then louder then quieter, but only for a couple of seconds.
My main problem is, when I start to drift off, I SNAP back awake. I try to focus on something but always SNAP back, drifting off, SNAP back… arg!
I think i’ll take a break tonight and fall back on DILD, then try again the day after tomorrow. I need more sleep.
I can say with certainty that it was not fail because you did achieve something, it’s a long road toward lucidity so don’t be definite in judgement when you don’t achieve lucidity in a dream. I don’t know how much did you keep track of your dreams before starting to lucid dream but trust me that lucid ones won’t be always the best ones. Sure they are awesome and unimaginable but I can say that the best dream that I ever had was non lucid one.
One thing I have to talk about now is SP.
So I just wanna say that SP is something that no one should spent their time on. As you know SP is a brains tool to keep us paralyzed while dreaming. The logic behind it is that we need to most of the time enter REM sleep to dream and then is the time for SP to kick in. I would say that it “activates” simultaneously as we get past the point of transitioning.
So your chances of experiencing SP before actually dreaming is very slim almost to none so wasting your time and getting frustrated doesn’t really help you. Most of the times when dreamers do report SP usually isn’t, it’s just numbness of laying a long time in one position. But I don’t say that it doesn’t happen, it does and it’s usually common for people with sleep disorders and then again there is a SP after dreaming and waking up, you may ask.
True and that is most common and that SP you actually can use to your advantage and trust me you will recognize it when it hits you .
Like I said when doing WILD just try to get as relaxed and ready for sleep as possible. Then when you mind and body is ready you will “see” the first signs of falling asleep and from that point just go with the flow and of course maintain awareness until you think it’s time to let go…
If that happens a lot try meditation before going to sleep and clearing your mind from negative and junk thoughts.
Taking a brake is always a good thing to do. Don’t look at it as wasting your time and not getting lucid. Also the best thing would be to not doing WBTB every night. Well if you do naturally wake up or because of the kids then what can you do, right? but if you can’t get more sleep this could make problems…
Thanks again dB as always you are so helpful. I really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
Last night was a similar story. I’m definitely going to take a break for a few days, get some proper rest before trying again. I’ll keep posting my progress, in case people are interested
So i’ve been trying to SSILD or WILD every night with WBTB, and doing enough RC to raise my awareness (although I could do more of these). Last night, I decided to set my alarm for 3 hours after I went to bed, in an effort to find my REM cycle. I woke up and the baby woke up too, so I put him in the bed with me.
Then I started to drift off, while doing my usual WILD technique (focusing on breathing, counting breaths, saying “im dreaming” in my head), and within about 4 or 5 breaths I felt a mighty whoosh and all kinds of mad noises. I rolled out of bed and there I was, in a dream. At least, I think I was lucid. I was in my house, I think it was my house, or a mix of mine and my dads house (i’m often in my dad’s house in dreams, where I grew up). I tried to remember to stay calm, I touched walls, rubbed my hands together. I did the nose RC and I could breathe… it was amazing! I looked at my hands, as expected all weird and bent. The wall would wobble like water as I touched it. Everything I had heard was true. Although, the dream itself did not seem as clear as real life, it was slightly foggy, and kept changing all the time. And I was stuck in this drab house, with no way out. I seemed trapped in the house, I tried to fly out the door but ended up right back in the house. I tried to spin around and change the scene by willing it. Nothing happened. I met my wife in the house and spoke to her briefly to tell her I was dreaming. I tried to will some DC into creation, and some mannequins appeared. As I got close they turned into real people.
I began to feel uneasy that I had “left the baby alone in bed” lol maybe i was losing lucidity at this point. So I willed myself to wake up. I woke up in the bed and immediately grabbed my DJ to write in. The baby reached up and took the pen out of my hand. I WAS STILL DREAMING. So i lay down and willed myself again, to wake up. I think I partially woke up and couldn’t move my body at all. I heard the baby saying “hiiiiiyyyyaaaaa” over and over, which was quite scary, but I told myself it is only a dream, remained calm, then I decided to pinch myself, and I woke up.
Incredible, I’m sure there is a lot I have forgotten, as I went back to sleep after that and had another really vivid dream, the most vivid ND I’ve ever had, it was clearer than the LD.
I hope this wasn’t a fluke and I hope it was a LD and not a dream where I dream I was lucid, I felt like i knew I was in a dream, I had control of my free will, and rational thought, I think I lost lucidity when I was worried about my son being alone while I was in the dream.
That’s great man! You did awesome. I don’t know if this was yours first LD but it doesn’t matter you did great. I would suggest for further tries maybe to withhold with dream like stuff. It’s good for new dreamers to firstly figure the dream logic and physics before doing all kinds of crazy stuff. I’m saying this because by doing that you will most probably prolong your dream, and most importantly your awareness will become much greater because you will focus on staying lucid and becoming even more lucid before everything, before flying, changing dream scenes and so on and on.
It’s great, isn’t it? Actually having prof on your own hands that you can actually be completely aware in a dream, that fact that was so sure that dreams are nothing more then junk images generated by brain as an outcome of brains sorting things out. But now you know for a fact that’s this is not a case.
yes this is my first LD after nearly 2 months of trying. I do my RC every day but remain blissfully unaware i’m dreaming from within the dream, and so I decided to take matters into my own hands with WILD.
Last night, I did wake up in the middle of the night but was too tired to WILD, I tried to do it but I was just too tired after a busy day with the kids and i’m sure the consumption of 1 beer just zonks me out. Tonight, I will try again. No beer, go to bed about 11 ish same as last time, set my alarm for 3 hours into sleep and then try to WILD. I really hope it wasn’t a fluke because it surprised me how fast the entire thing happened. In the past, I have literally lay in the bed for an hour trying to WILD and just got no where. That night, within a few seconds, I was in the dream.
So, i’m beginning to believe that it is the timing of the WILD that is the crucial part of the cocktail that brings the technique together. Without a REM period to enter, you may as well be up playing Playstation, nothing is going to happen.
Hopefully my first REM period is post 3 hours sleep. 3 hours after that it’s about 6am and I have to get up for the day, so i’m thinking the first REM period might be a good one to aim for to practice with, if indeed that is why I got into the dream. So tonight’s experiment will attempt to reproduce the same effect.
Have you ever entered a dream that quickly from a WBTB?
Finally, you mention, “dream physics” and “dream logic”? How do you go about making the dream more lucid. I would love to get to the state now where the dream feels as real as real life, as this forum purports. In my dream, there was little to no sound, and the imagery seems fuzzy, and wavy, and there was massive gaps between experiences. For example, one minute im in one room, the next im in another, then another, and I don;’ realise how I got there, or the scene changing, im just, there.
Wish me luck, I hope I can make this LD a reoccurring event.
Nice way to figure out when your REM cycle begins and ends is if you let yourself wake up naturally. Of course this might be a problem with child waking up all the time and working all days and so on and on but it’s the most precise way I would think. With alarm you can either be lucky and actually set it to wake up before REM starting or you can be way off. Also waking up with alarm is somewhat shocking for a person because it usually means: get up! you have to go to work, or anything else that requires you immediate attention. But if it works for you then by all means…
Yes. Like you noticed timing is crucial. When everything falls into place transitioning from waking state to dream state is quite fast.
Dream physics and logic are very different from dreamer to dreamer. What I meant initially is to let the dream evolve around you. All you need to do is to maintain lucidity. Because while you will be focused on maintaining lucidity your mind will do everything else and in that manifestation of the dream, the dream logic and physics you can learn a lot about how you will function later on.
Simple things, like dream stabilization, vividness and then more complex things, popping from place to place, hovering or not being able to stand ground, falling and so on and on. When you through all that maintain lucidity you can become aware of those “problems” and begin to solve them, one by one.
When you become lucid and when you rush things and start doing awesome dream things then you have to fight the dream because you don’t know yourself in a dream and plus you are focusing on doing crazy stuff but the most important and that is lucidity false down to a last place of focus and that’s why you loose lucidity or you are having very unstable dreams…
So when you do become lucid try to calm yourself and look around. Acknowledge things and let them “sink” into your mind, let them become your reality. There is nothing wrong when you wanna experience waking life things in a dream. This things are like anchor, they hold you strong to the ground of the experience, if you know what I wanna say. By doing that you will become extremely aware and lucid. Fuzziness, blurriness and similar things will disappear and you will be aware of the fact that you are experiencing waking life in a dream and vice versa. After that kind of experience you will experience the dream in waking life. All the feelings like happiness, extreme feeling of freedom, love will manifest in waking life too because you will learn that there is no difference between waking life and dream life, it’s the same only we are free of the ego in a dream, we don’t care about blunt things life in waking life and that’s where we start to learn from dream for waking life not from waking life for dreams.
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