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A WILD variation
PostPosted: Tue 23 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Hello dreamers,

Lately i've been exploring a variation of WILD which has brought me a very high succesrate, so i thought i'd share it with you. Probably this looks a lot like what other people do, but still i think this technique has enough 'new' elements in it for most people to justify me posting it here ... smile

Well first of all I do not (at least, did not yet) attempt this technique while i goto bed 1st time in the evening / early night. I do it when i wake up during the morning, like after 4-7 hours of sleep (I made that a habbit), when the mind is still in 'REM-mode', so to speak. This is inportant since in this state of mind WILD-ing is much easier (to me at least, i suppose it counts for others aswell).

On to the actual technique. It actually comes down to forcing your brain to 'open up' a new dream, without any chance for failure once the process has started. I say forcing, since this is what happens, you don't have to wait and paractise any relaxing our focussing/counting exercises. For me, it goes as following: I wake up during the night, im still very sleepy. Before i fully wake up, before i open my eyes, i imagine myself spinning around my length axis in my bed. This in itself could already cause a new dream to emerge quickly (some people actually do it just this way i think). However, i then use this spinning sensation to roll myself out of my sleeping position. This creates for your brain the illusion of an out of body experience. The trick is to do this ofcourse without moving your real body. You have to do it with your imagined spinning dream body! (On occasion, you will move your real body, if you do, you were too early and have to wait a few more moments longer next time.) Once you are 'out of body', your brain is instantly forced to 'project' your awareness into a dream. I say 'project', since this is what happens actually, you are mentally launched, or projected into your dreamworld.
Let me stress here that you are not actually out of your body, only your perception of what actually happens might make it look like a genuine OBE (what that realy is, is beyond the scope of this threat). When you stand there beside your bed, being lucid, it would be the same as a dream in which you became lucid and created your house and went up to your bedroom, nothing more or less. I must admit that at first with this technique i was doubting if i were perhaps realy out of body, but this is clearly not the case (i did a lot of tests to come to this conclusion). Also it looks perfectly like a normal LD, so why wouldnt it be one? Right.... well this is the technique i have been experimenting with, it has worked for me almost everytime i tried it (assuming im not already too awake, then it doesnt work so good anymore). I suppose one could call it O(be)ILD .. wink

If anyone uses similar techniques or would go and try this one i would gladly like to hear of it. I will continue this way of WILD-ing for sure ^^


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PostPosted: Tue 23 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

i see this working but is there no chance of you losing grip and falling asleep?

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Hey C_mon,

You mean, falling into a ND? Because, falling asleep is exactly what you want. I think there is a chance you could lose grip, but like with all techniques, pratise makes perfect. The transition from 1/2 wake to LD is also so fast (it amazes me every time) that it would be pretty weird to lose lucidity all of a sudden.


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Xetrov- did you come up with this technique on your own, borrow it from someone else, or modify another tech? If your did borrow or modify someone else's tech, where did you find out about it?

I understand very well how this could be so successful a method. Before school started, I was experimenting with a WILD tech in which as soon as I woke up during the night, I would remain motionless and try to "fall" into a lucid dream. I had some success with this and was amazed at how the process took only seconds to complete the WILD, but since school started I've not been keeping a steady effort at LDing. So anyway, your tech seems like mine except for the visualization that, as you say, is very effective in entering a conscious dream.

How did you determine when to wake up? Was it random, with an alarm clock, or what? With my tech, I would program myself before going to sleep at night to wake up after every dream and follow my tech's steps. I think if you're not already doing it, it would be very useful to rehearse and program yourself the way I did except with your visualization added on. This way, you'll try it after every dream so there will be many chances.

Good luck with your tech, maybe I'll try it


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PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

wow this sounds alot like what I attempted last night. I attempted to Force the WILD like trick the mind into believeing I am falling asleep without losing site of consciousness. I tried falling backwards to simulate the feeling you get when you are in that stage of WILD. I will try Your method Xetrov tonight

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PostPosted: Wed 24 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Miklos - I have kind of re-invented this technique by accident. One night i was waking up a bit and i thought, what would happen if i visualise rolling out of body? To my surprise, it actually worked. I was pretty confused back then, i thought perhaps i would be ealy OBE (i was medium lucid only, i didnt realy think it through). Later on i talked to some people who also use this method or ones very similar (like Dm7). I was also thinking about this method and i realised it is very close to 'traditional' WILD, but for a few twists to increase the speed of the process!.... (i can never seem to accomplish traditional WILD easily, only sometimes by accident).
I do not have a fixed schedule to wake myself up during the night. An alarm would to that, but then i would be too wide awake to do my technique, since it requires slowly waking up and realising you are in your bed. Since i started my explorations into LDing (almost 2 years ago), i have been getting somehow (subconsciously) accustomed to waking up automatically a few times during the night. I think my experiments with WBTB might have been the initial trigger for this (which i did with alarm), and i have been keeping this custom ever since. Also during the morning when my parents get up and start acting noisy i can use this to my advantage with my technique (providing they do not entirely wake me up, which happens from time to time unfortunately).... being able to sleep long is one of the advantages of the bad economical tides (im jobless hehe ). I will try to incorporate your idea into my technique and see what it brings me.

Whitewolf - if you try the method, i'd be happy to hear about it! good luck...


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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

xetrov, few questions:
1. In your technique you say you start to spin. Do you imagine yourself spinning from a 3rd person view or first person view (as if you were looking up at your ceiling)?
2. When do you imagine your falling out of your bed, because you could do it too early and you are not asleep your just imagining that you are standing in your bedroom and your not Lucid.
3. Is there any indication when doing this that you have fallen asleep like weird feelings or sounds?

Thnx.


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

hey C_mon,

1) 1st person view.

2) I did not say, too early means imagining! Too early means, you are actually realy rolling from your bed on the floor (ouch)! This can happen if you are not deep enough into the spinning visualisation yet, you (your body actually) are not yet asleep enough. When you are not asleep yet and you start rolling it will result in you realy rolling your physical body. You have to roll your dream body. I know the transition from where you roll your real body to where you roll your dream body is a very elusive one, for some it might take time (few minutes perhaps), for some it goes probably very fast (like for me, sometimes 1/2 a minute or faster). It also depends on how much awake you are when you start this technique. If you are very close to sleep it will be much more easier then when you are wide awake.

3) I dont realy understand this question. Falling asleep (body) is what you need to do! At the very moment your dreambody 'rolls out' and you stand in your bedroom, the LD will have started, and you know you have fallen asleep.

I guess the only way to understand this realy, is to try it. When you wake 1/2 during night, give it a try as soon as you are aware. Just spin around 1st person and then use this momentum to roll to one side of the bed.

Good luck smile


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PostPosted: Fri 26 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Xetrov-

I've tried your technique mixed with my own ideasfor the past two nights and last night it worked! However, the rolling out of my body thing didnt work, but after spinning I just could feel that I was asleep. I opened my eyes and there I was, in a lucid dream (although it did not last long)

You seem to describe waking up and a process that might take a few minutes. Well, this is not the case for me; I try to make a point of not moving when I wake up, so the transition from half-awake into the dreamstate is extremely rapid (a matter of seconds).

Of course, the main problem with my method is the not moving part. It's a habit to roll over whenever I wake in the night, but I think that I can reverse this habit with practice.

So anyway, thanks for the spinning sugestion. Since reading your post and how similar your method is to mine, I've had renewed interest in lding. ^^


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Lo Miklos,

Nice that it worked! Its true that the spinning alone can create a LD already, and yes at first those lucids might be short and/or unstable. I would suggest doing the familiar tricks to stay in the LD, rub hands, feel objects, focus on details etc.
I do not however say that you should wake up for a few minutes. When you wake up start the technique as soon as possible (as soon as you are aware that you wanted to do it). The sooner the more chance it works! If your mind becomes too awake it will be considerably harder. Also, yes, you should not move your physical body, but only your 'dream body' after a while of spinning.

I hope you will have even more succes with it in the (near) future! smile


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PostPosted: Sat 27 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

This method seems to help. I reached the stage of WILD where you see shapes and people begin to form. but as I have never been good with WILD I lost myself and fell asleep. But this is the first time in months I actually made it that far! I would see myself spinning, after visuallizing it I begin to feel it, after I being able to feel it, I feel myself getting the WILD vibrations. At this point I am still visuilizing spinning around, however I am also trying to pay attention to HI. I cant decide which one to pay more attention to my HI or my spinning/falling back. The times I tried this I focused on HI while I spun, I seemed to get pretty far.

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

I'll try this. It'll be a nice change from the VILD technique, which no one except Pedro has seemed to be working for.

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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

A quick question, Xetrov-

Do you spin clockwise or counterclockwise? I ask this because two nights ago I was using your method and I remember me suddenly seciding that one of those two options works much better (at least for me). But now I dont remember what I decided


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PostPosted: Sun 28 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

Miklos - I do it clockwise, because that way i will use the momentum of the imagined spinning to imagine myself rolling to the right side out of my bed / body (the other side is a wall).

Whitewolf - You should try both options and see what works best. Myself I do it without focussing on actual visuals / HI. I just visualise (which is more like a feeling) myself spinning in the darkness. But perhaps for you, focussing on the HI may allow you to enter into an actual dream (preferably a LD wink).

Good luck to those who try it!


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PostPosted: Tue 30 Nov, 2004  Reply with quote

i may have to use sitting up instead of rolling out of bed as i sleep on a high bed making it kind of impossible to roll out of lol.

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