the big WILD topic part IV

Iiyama: where did you buy that book, and what meathod did u use? u said u got Sleep paralysis in a few minutes, what method did u use for this? thanks, ben

:confused: I don’t know if I’m just being paranoid here but is it possible to accidentaly have an OBE while trying to do a WILD? I used to get sleep paralysis and try to leave my body in my more adventurous days because I heard that that was a good time to try that. (It never worked, probably because I was too scared.) Is causing a WILD like intentional sleep paralysis? If I spontaniously get sleep paralysis on my way to sleep (which has happened) could I have a WILD from there?

Hmmmm… Does anyone have any advice on techniques from getting out of the WILD symptoms, and actually into the lucid dream? I don’t seem to have any problem when they happen without me trying to have them, but when I consciously force/wait for a WILD, I can’t get any further.

I spent a few hours this morning when I woke up trying to have a WILD, I got to the beginnings of it maybe six times, but I kept being startled out of it by the noises people were making getting ready, or I couldnt keep my thoughts blank. Eventually everyone left, and I managed to get into it for more than a couple seconds. I would drift off and “see” dreams, but not actually be in them, I could still feel my body. This time I saw images on the backs of my eyelids too, usually I only get the noise, it was hundreds of signposts zooming towards me like a high speed windows screensaver. I tried focusing on one of the signs, and it sort of hovered blurrily in my vision before continuing on its way. Then I “lost” everything, and was left with one sign flickering slowly in the corner of my vision, and a slight buzz in my ear. By this point I gave up for the day.

What are you supposed to do? Do you just “let go”? Do you try to pull yourself away? I tried both and neither really worked. Was I just holding on to being aware too hard, and not letting myself fall asleep?

shade when u got at your closest from getting a ld by wild…then just let go of your conscious a little more like try each time when u are at your deepest wild level…10 % less consciousness…and then just be patience…
So do what u normal do then when u cant get deeper try each time a 10% extra loss of consciousness…just let go and be patience…dont use thoughts anymore just be patience from that moment of…ok? :smile:

Is it effective to do WILD after a day of sleep deprivation without
sleeping for 6 hours first?I have just went pass a day without
sleep and I am thinking of trying the WILD method where music is used.

Yes I think so…but one disadvantage, there is a chance u might fall a sleep while u try! :wink:

I would be very thankful if you guys could answer my question.

This night (and many ones before) I tried to WILD. I did exactly as LaBerge wrote in his book. After a while my body starts to tingle, I get noises in my ear and my heart is pounding like crazy. For every second that goes I feel that I´m about to enter the dream-state more and more.

The problem is; I can´t get any further! I don´t see any images at all in front of my “eyes”. What am I doing wrong?

It is very simple…when u are stuck at a certain point in wild and u want to get any further u have to let go a little more of your consciousness…
Its like a pair of scales…when u want that one of them is going doing make the other one less heavy…in wild that means u have to let go of your consciousness a bit more so your body and brain fall a little deeper in sleep and u enter your dream stage while u are doing a wild!

Try this subtile or u lose your consciousness totally and u fall a sleep…
Try each time when u are stuck in a wild to let go of a 10% more consciousness then the time before that…
PPE is important here big time…Practising…being Patient and Experience!

Good luck

:cheesy:

Imagine yourself sinking head first should help. It helps me to lose my consciousness and yet maintain my consciousness until I enter a dream world. When I WILD, I usually have to enter a dream world consciously. I have used spinning, rubbing, leaping into my dream, and sinking sensation techniques to help me to step in my dream world consciously.

The sinking sensation seems to work the best. Just imagine yourself sinking and don’t be overwhelmed! It’s a vivid sensation, I’m warning ya. Just be patient as the sinking sensation should help ur conscious to fall a bit so you can enter into a vivid dream world. Let me warn you one more thing. You might find yourself in ur LD so quickly that you might feel confused or distorted for a minute as your LD stabilizes itself. Just a 2 cents. Good luck!

ld4all.com/forum/viewtopic.p … 4&start=15 here’s my dream journal… look for Jan. 3, 2003 entry… it talks in detail how I enter into my dream world consciously. It should help you to see what you need to expect. Again, I wish you the best luck of all! :wink:

I went to bed last night at about 11:00 after reading “CountingSheep by Paul Martin” (a great book!) and after about 15 min I felt all the tell tale signs of the early stages of WILD including hypnotic images followed by the “vibrations” then i was dreaming i got up out of my bed and into a LD… a very entertaining one i might add… :smile: i woke up abou 12:00 proving that at most i had been assleep for an hour… now i thought that REM sleep only occurs after several hours of sleeping not the second you go to sleep… it seemd as if i skiped the first few sleep stages. whats going on? :confused:

i thought that this could have been a hypnogogic dream or whatever its called but it definatly seemed more to be a real dream that my other “hypnogogic dreams” (that bit inbetween falling assleep and being assleep) shrugs

WILD was intended to be used after already sleeping for several hours. This is because it’s actually possible to go straight into a dream after waking up without having to go back through the first few stages. Some people claim to be able to do this before getting any sleep at all, but I don’t believe them. :wink:

I hope someone can help me…I try to WILD when going to bed, and again at 4 in the A.M. However, I have only gotten to the point where my feet feel like they’re stretching and I go numb. I’ve never seen or heard anything strange though. Once I felt like I was floating. I think my problem is that I have to swallow often.(Weird?) I was just wondering if the best thing to do would be just not to worry about it? Or should I change positions? (I lie on my back) Do any of you constantly swallow while falling asleep? I’m thinking that it’s just a problem because I made it one. But still, I feel like it’s the thing that keeps distracting me and snapping me out of it.

I know what you’re talking about. Your totally focused on your WILD then something kinda clicks and you have to swallow and it brings you back. If you are concentrated enough or distracted enough swallowing becomes, can’t remember the right word for it, tip of my tongue. . . Oh well its like breathing you do it all day without thinking about it but you can concsiously control it. Just dont think about having to swallow and you should go about it automatically without thinking about it.

Lostboy, I get that swallowing thing too! And the worst thing is it only happens when I’m actually getting somewhere in my WILD, I start to feel that tingling and then suddenly I have to swallow. It happens so often that I started to think it was just in my mind, I decided to ignore it one time, it just wouldn’t work. I’m glad to see someone else has the same problem. Well, not glad but … ahem

And Atheist, I tried the WBTB method for almost a whole months with no results at all, all it did was disrupt my dream recall, no lucidity what so ever. Then one time around six PM I was really bored and had nothing better to do, tried a WILD and bam I had my first full blown lucid dream ever. It does work!

I am not new to lucid dreaming, I have pretty much mastered MILD. But I have never tried a WILD, I always thought it would be to difficult as I develop mental blocks/negative thoughts quite easily and may find it hard to fall asleep.

Recently I haven’t been able to do MILD because I fall asleep so easily when I wake up (using an alarm). Then I thought, if I fall asleep so easily maybe I should try WILD after all.

I know different things work for different people, but what is probably the easiest technique to use? I was thinking of trying to count myself to sleep but I’m worried that, whatever I try, I won’t be able to fall asleep. It seems like such as easy idea, but then when I’m about to try it I just cannot see it working and try MILD instead (actually managing to stay awake during WBTB is now rare for me and I don’t like to waste it)

I’m glad other people know what I mean about the swallowing…Thanks for replying. However, I’m Topher28, not Lostboy, but I guess we have the same picture. O well.

Oh, sorry about that Topher, you two just have the same picture and I’ve got it stuck in my head now. I apologize.

Yeah, I had the swallowing problem too for a few nights. I still haven’t gotten WILD, but I’m getting closer.

What I did (and I don’t have the swallowing problem anymore) was I focused on something like breathing or visuals.

It doesn’t work to think about “not-swallowing”- it’s like- “don’t think about a polar bear!” This is a problem for all of us who do meditation. It’s hard to make your thoughts go away, you have to focus on something else, I think.
Ian

just to say that i wasnt making it up… why would i? are you saying that you think it must have been a hypnogogic dream?

i am still a bit confused with it… as this has happend to me before and as i said in my previous post it doesnt seem to be a hynogogic dream to me. is it possible to go strait into REM sleep or maby fast-forwarding theother stages? i dont know :confused: