I don't understand....why would you want an OBE?

The majority of responses so far have basically been along the lines of “Why not, it’s something else to try.”

An OBE (by definition) is not a LD. It’s the actual process of leaving the body and seeing the real world from an alternate and mobile perspective. My question is, why the hell would anyone NOT want to do this? In theory, you could explore real-world places, spy on real-world people and generally not waste any of your life asleep.

In my person opinion, OBEs are just LDs. I think anyone who claims to have left their body and floated around looking at the world was simply have an LD. There have been experiments conducted in an attempt to verify whether this is the case or not, but nothing conclusive thus far.

how about this for an explination.

I am in love, the girl i love is currently 300miles away. The only way i get to see her right now is via Astral Projection (obe) sure i may not be able to interact with her or talk to her, but at least i can see her. The real girl not some dream version of her.

I can see wat she’s doing, i know that she is safe and i know i don’t have to worry about her.

how do i know it’s real? I ask her on the phone if what i see was correct, i have had future seeing dreams but hey. You tell me that i just Lucid Dreamed the whole thing and it was just a coincidence that it was real? well what are the odds? 1000 to 1? million to one? sheesh with them odds i’m doing the lottery lol.

I have never cared what “sceince” has to say, science can’t even figure out how the universe was created, how the brain works, or pretty much any one else. hell not that long ago sceintists swore that the earth was flat.

my philosophy; if you did something and you have fact to back it up then it was real. OBE is NOTHING that can be proven, we all dream but some people don’t remember one single dream their whole life - how can you prove to that person that dreams are real?

if you ever had a real OBE you would understand, without having one you can only speculate. Sure maybe they are what we think, i can only tell you what i know.

i astral project, and the things i see are genuine and on asking the persons whether it was real and they confirm it.

just my 2cents

One time I was talking to my friend, and she told me she’d much rather astral project then lucid dream. I was just like, “What? Are you insane? That’s like choosing reality over fantasy!” But then I started thinking about it… Astral projection, if it is real, is exploring the physical plane, but from a different point of view. You’re soul actually leaves your body, while you travel around the earth in an invisible form nobody else can see! Lucid dreaming is just conciously exploring what’s inside your own head. lol when I put it that way, AP really does sound more interesting … :eh:

They are like two engines of travel, one for the internal, one for the external. I would want to try them both.

One question: Explain to me scientifically(spelling…) what happens when you leave your body. What comes from your body? Why it comes from there? How it can see, hear, travel…

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And I don’t belive in astral projections. OBE’s are one kind of LD to me

Perhaps, if they are real (I dont know if they are or not) no one can scientifically explain them at this point, just like how 1000 years ago, we couldn’t scientifically explain how a bird flies.
I’m not saying they are real or don’t exist, I’m just presenting a different perspective on explaining them.

there is no scientific explination because scientific knowledge on anything is limited.

science is nothing you want to base your life on completely, science is VERY flawed.

Like i said not long ago the world was flat and all the scientists agreed, not long ago Space travel was ridiculed as being insane and impossible but hey we put a man on the moon.

but when it comes down to the human body science knows absolutely dick, scientists don’t even know who the brain works they barely understand how our bodies work.

Science is reluctant to believe anything to do with OBEs and Astral projection because few scientists would admit that we have souls lol. Science is flawed, as a species we are very young. We maybe technologically advanced but we know nothing about ourselves, where we came from how we work, dreams, ap, ld, obe are well beyond science and scientific knowledge.

maybe in another hundred years they will catch up enough.

Its like wanting cardiology and endokrynology to explain love:)

I don’t see the point of your post at all. I personally base my life entirely on science. They don’t know all the answers yet, but at least they’re trying. The fact that it takes time to properly understand many elements of life seems to give you reason to throw away all trust in science whatsoever.

I’m only going to say this once (on top of the hundreds of times that I’ve said it before): Science is not there as an alternative to religion. You seem to be one of those people who think of ‘science’ as this big lumbering black demon intent on proving that God does not exist. Science is just the name given to any research conducted with the intention of discovering how something works.

As we can clearly see while going about our lives, there are some underlying rules that apply to everything we do. We know that in order to carry something large we need the help of a tool designed for that purpose. We know that we can’t walk through walls or fly over tall obstacles. Science is only there to discover why we can’t do these things. It exists to create an understanding of what rules govern our lives, and how we might use them to our advantage. Without scientific observation and experimintation, we wouldn’t be right now using one of the previously uncontrollable forces of nature to our advantage. (I’m talking about electricity, of course)

Now, given the set of rules that science has discovered (gravity, physics, particles) it seems apparent that certain popular beliefs simply aren’t possible. When we say ‘possible’, we mean allowable even after applying all of these rules to it.

Science is the search for the answers to life. Religion is not the search for the answers to life. I know the above (offending) post had nothing to do with religion, but this is for anyone who thinks that it is acceptable for the term to ever be written: Science vs. Religion. Science doesn’t claim to have solved the mysteries of life. Those laws that exist here and dictate what we can do don’t necessarily mean anything outside of the physical world that we live in. At the moment however, science has a good understanding of what does control our lives while we are here.

I agree with both Insane_goth and Atheist. I beleive in both OBE and science…but science cant explain everything…new theories come and old ones go. The human mind is soo complex that i dont think we’ll fully understand it. Science can give us some information on things like weather, our earth and help us out, but to explain things like where we come from and how it all started is not possible.

Me and a friend pratice a bit of OBE’S. She alot better then i am (by far). She can tell what im doing and theres no possible way she couild know…hehe fun though.

I’m like Atheist when it comes to science.
I would also prefer it over any religion any day, not that it is there as an alternative, like Atheist said, but its based on facts that have been proven, and your not basing what you think you know on just assumptions or faith.

i’m a physisit, i don’t personally believe in religion, i don’t believe in a god or gods.

But the simple fact is science will never be able to explain everything, at least not in our life time. Maybe in a 100/200 years by which point it won’t matter to us (unless you believe in reincarnation)

As it goes, science is always finding flaws in its own findings and having to change them. I will not base my whole life on something that is flawed, probably the reason i ain’t religious either.

OBE’s i’d like to see the day that sceince can tell us exactly wat they are truthfully without guessing, as it stands many scientists ridicule OBE’s as imagination. So be it.

Science can’t explain everything never will be able to, which is basically what was said before.

Thats fine. I believe one day science will be able to tell us what excactly an OBE is.
But whats the big deal in finding something flawed with yourself and fixing it? If you ask me, this is one of the best things about science, not a reason to not take any heed of it and say it is flawd.

As Far as internal and external go with LD’s and OBE’s, I like to think of the concept of the oneness of the universe and the idea that man is a mirror of the cosmos and of the different planes of existence. “Man is a microcosm of the macrocosm.”
I don’t know how many of you are aware of the so called planes of existence that I have read abou in OBE books and also is referred to in other literature such as the Tibetan Book af the Dead and other Buddhist scripture . There is the physical plane, the astral plane, etc… (of course each culture gives these different names, but there is usually about seven or eight. And each plane is higher in vibration. The highest plane being pure awareness, the “God” realm, our pure nature. Anyway, with the OBE, one can stay on the physical plane, visit the astral plane, which is the most common I think, and even ascend to these other planes of existence. So the question is are these planes internal in everyone’s mind, or do they exist somewhere in space, in time. Well, the physical plane obviously exists in time and space, or so it seems, but the other relams are not so defined. I believe that the it is in the mind (internal) that all these planes lie; however, they appear external because there are other beings sharing these existences telepathicly, interconnected. With LD’s, I believe they are also visits to this astral plane where one can create his reality, and there can also be elements of the physical world because the astral plane is a distorted, limitless appearance of the physical world. Anyway, I just think that man’s nature holds everything in existence, and what we explore is always ourselves; however it can appear as external and is external to a certain extent as it aids in our spiritual evolution

ever tried flying straight into the red spot, storm thingy on jupiter in an OBE? :grin:

try it sometime! I know if I did, I’d defecate… :bored:

or what about going under the sea and looking straight into the eye of a GIANT SQUID?!?! :cool_laugh:

My greatest fear is the giant squid :shy:
And maybe people have started to go off-topic on this thing? Everybodys just mocking other peoples beliefs. No point in that, I say.

the only thing i believe in is having an open mind, near enough anything is posible so just take in what both sides have to say about something and make up ur own mind.

as for obes, i never even knew what they was till just now but i did see a program one time where people recorded spirits on some kind of frequency, maybe this is like when someone first started building planes and some day we can contact some kind of spirit world, i dont know but theres no proof to say either way.

and who ever said they had done obes with someone miles away and knew what they was doing, how come u can do that but scientists cant? im sure they must have tried and if they had same result as u then it wouldnt be down as unconclusive. theres a lot more chance u are making it up then u are telling the truth from my point of view. no offence lol

the guy who started this post probably didnt understand what obes was, i thought it was just floating above ur sleeping body looking down at ur self… now i understand it a little bit its sure got me interested and even if it is a dream if u solidly believe its real then it might as well be for the way it makes u feel.

I had a thought, what if they did proove they was real and they are keeping it like a government secret lol, there could be FBI agents obe spying on the mafia while they plot their next big job :smile:

Thats like what the US and Russia were doing in the cold war. They used psychics to spy. Thats where the word espionage comes from. ESP…ESPionage. Pretty neat, huh?

OMG, ESPionage? I don’t have any facts to prove it, but from first looks, that sounds like complete BS. :tongue: