Make My Own Lucid CD

Update

Well, last night I didn’t have a lucid dream, but this was because early on I got irritated by my big headphones and ended up taking them off.

I think next time, I’ll try and use the little in-ear ones from my Walkman, because that way I might be able to change position and not notice them as much as the big ones.

Asside from that though, I did have an interesting normal dream which I remembered quite well, so nevermind.

Ed.

But then the problem with the small ones is they’re not as comfortable, plus the cord is a lot shorter.

Maybe I’ll just have to try and get used to wearing the big ones and hope that they don’t slide off my head as I move around in my sleep.

Ed- That sounds like a great idea! Would you be willing to maybe send me the wav file you made and I could burn it on a cd of my own to try as well? Please let me know. Thanks

Here’s something I did last night:
I placed two speakers next to my bed… then i put a sample into fruityloops that said ‘you are dreaming’ (actually it said ‘du träumst’, but whatever) and then i put it into a pattern and repeated it 60 times, starting with a really low volume and slowly getting louder… I then played this short track on repeat the whole night.
Unfortunately it was annoying at first. Nevertheless I had quite good results… about 5 or 6 brief lucid moments.

Tonight I burned an MP3 cd. an MP3 cd is a lot better than a normal cd cause it’s longer, so that’s why I’m doing that. at first I have about two hours of silence as mp3s and then about 10 hours of ‘you are dreaming’.

i started with a low volume and then slowly got louder, so the sounds won’t wake me up because they’re too sudden and ‘scary’ or anything.

i am not doing music right now, though. but maybe i’ll let my normal cd player play something nice…

Hey Fabi, glad to hear you had some lucid dreams with what you tried. Also, it’s good to know that somebody else is also experimenting with this idea. Please keep us updated.

Anyway, now here’s an update on my experiences…

I might be abandoning the idea of the binaural beats, primarily because I really don’t like having to try wearing headphones all night. I’m far too concious of them and why they are there, and this prevents me from properely relaxing like I normally would.

So then I thought, if I did without the binaural beats, I could simply have something playing at a quiet volume through the speakers, with the CD player right next to my bed.

Also, I find that the way I like to get to sleep is to watch telly. For years I have had this skill of being able to notice the point at which I am just about to fall asleep, and then switch the TV off and roll over and go to sleep. A few nights ago, I decided to encoporate this as part of my technique by having the CD player set up, and then just as I roll over to go to sleep, quickly pressing the play button on my CD player.

I tried this, with the CD programmed without the first track (sleep induction binaural beats), and simply having it programmed to play 90 minutes of silence and then the voice (and then repeat throughout the night).

Unfortunately, I did not have a lucid dream, so I think maybe I had the volume set too low. Tonight I will try again, with it slightly less quiet, and also with having just 45 minutes of silence each time (in case I don’t fall asleep straight away and therefore get out of step with the 90 minute pattern).

Although I am still interested in the idea of music within this idea, I think from a purely personal point of view I will prefer not to have the music, simply because I prefer to watch TV until I am tired, but as I say, this is purely just personal preference and what I would prefer myself in the long term. But as I say, I still might like to experiment with music, purely just for the fun of seeing what effect it has and what can be achieved.

Ed.

Hey Ed,
Intersting thing you’ve got going here. Have you considered trying it with a WBTB method? Sleep for about 6 hours then wake up and start the CD then go back to sleep. You should be in longer REM periods and dream much more after getting most of your body rest out of the way.

Just a thought.

Hey, Wonderer, thanks for the idea, I might try that sometime.

Previously, I got sick of trying the WBTB method, because I found that it disrupted my sleep pattern, plus sometimes I irritated my parents by being up and about in the early hours of the morning, moving around.

Ed.

Last night I had it playing all night, in the sequence of 45 mins silence and then the voice, repeating this all night. I didn’t have a lucid dream.

HOWEVER, due to all my thinking about it, I did have a false awakening early on before I heard the first voice. This was after about 40 minutes. I dreamt that I woke up to hear my mum and dad talking about the fact that they could hear it. I almost became lucid, because I was starting to recognise that it didn’t make sense, but I just didn’t quite manage to get lucid, and then I woke up.

The reason it didn’t make sense is: I had checked before I went to bed whether it could be heard in my mum’s room at that volume, and it couldn’t. Also, my dad was sleeping downstairs because he has a bad cough. Also, they were talking about the music on it, but this one had no music on it.

I think I need to start making other efforts again though, because the last few days I have forgotten to do any reality checks. I might also have another go at the subliminal spiral.

Ed.

just some quick info, don’t know if you know this or not but If your trying to use binural beats you have to use head phones otherwise it won’t work. The theory of it is that it uses two differant freq sounds in both ears… like in the right 500mhz and 504mhz in the left which leave you with a remaining freq of 4mhz when the beats combine in your brain. Your brain operates at very low frequencys so we can’t hear waves low enough to match out brain waves so you have to use two slighty differant beats to get that lower wave length

p.s: you might not want to give up on the binural beats, they work really well for me. It annoyed me at first but I made myself think of em like they were water and i was surrounded by the waves and after your brainwaves start to lower and you get near the realm of sleep you don’t notice em at all.

Ed,
I read through and I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but maybe trying “Ed, you are dreaming.” instead of “You are dreaming” …it’s like being in a room with a bunch of people and everyone is having there own converstions but when you hear your name then you pick that up almost immediately and it gets your attention and you will look over or try and listen in. You know what I mean? But I think that it would call your attention to the voice more.
just a thought.

J05h

Well I’ve been experimenting with audio for a while.

Years ago before I knew that LDing was called LDing i had seen a TV programme witha novadreamer in it and tried to tell myself i was dreaming using a tape.

Well that didn’t work. Analogue hssing, headphones and doing it when I first went to sleep ensured that.

I got a CD burner some months ago and have made a few lucidity induction CDs. The first was mostly music I associated with lucid dreaming.

This included “Silent Lucidity” by Queensryche for obvious reasons, “No More Sorry” by My Bloody Valentine because it had triggered my second lucid dream, “The Passenger” by Iggy Pop 'cos it was in the Waking Life trailer, and it seems appropriate, “Good Vibrations” by The Beach Boys and “Everything in it’s Right Place” by Radiohead because of the way they featured in Vanilla Sky and “Aqueous Transmission” by Incubus because I heard of it on this forum, reccomended because it was relaxing. I also had a few spoken messages- “You are dreamng right now” “Am I dreaming?” and “Remember your dream when you wake up”.

Usually I set the timer to play this at lowish volume (through trial and error I knew what would wake me up) at around 6 o clock. It never worked.

Next I tried a long list of reality checks, tasks, affirmations and ideas, iterspersed with the sound from Lucille - software that brings up messgaes about dreaming at random intervals. This was followed by some matrix WAVs, and then long silences with occaisional Lucille noises.
I usually combined this with WBTB. No result.

After experimenting with a self hypnosis tape (the suggestions didn’t work but telling me I was falling into a deep sleep brought WILD vibarions on) I modified a hypnosis script to make a WILD induction CD. I haven’t been able to test this properly but I may do so soon.

Anyway none of this is promising, but something I have noted was that the first times I took vitamin B6 my dreams were much closer to my real life surroundings (this became boring and less effective after a while so I gave it up), and on one occasion “No More Sorry” which on it’s own should have triggered a RC and which I had set to play during the night to induce lucidity, sounded different as I was lying in bed. I got out of bed and listened more and it was very different - There was speaking as well as singing, it was like an alternate version which only played every so often when the CD got to that track. How was this possible? My mother came into my room and I talked to her about it, but I never thought I could be dreaming. I suppose I should have been spending more time on lucid living and less trying to take shortcuts with CDs

Yeah, you should put “Ed, you’re dreaming” on the CD and make the tone of the voice like someone was really trying to tell someone else they were dreaming.

Once upon a time I tried a very similar experience, with mixed results. What I did was to write a program that I ran on my laptop. I would activate the program when I lay down to sleep. 90 minutes later, the program would play a simple sound, once a minute, for 5 minutes. Then it would wait 45 minutes and repeat the process. I even put in a snooze alarm in case the noise woke me up.

I tried it for about 5 nights, the sound queues would often make it into my dreams, but were always incorporated by the dream. I remember that one of the dreams even involved me taking my laptop to a repair shop to try and find out why it kept making strange noises

Overcoming the sleeping minds adaptation of stimulus is a very difficult task. I think that using an outside stimulator is something that would, in the long run, not be as beneficial to LD as going through all the rigors of teaching yourself to have spontaneous LD. What I mean is, that eventually you could program your mind to recognize the queues and maybe increase your LD frequency, but I am afraid that after a time, we would become TOO dependant on the device, meaning that we would have to figure out a way to wean ourselves off of the ND, and then we would just be back at square one.

I am not saying that investigations into outside stimulus producing LDs should be abandoned, anything that furthers our knowledge and ability is a GOOD thing. We just have to be careful, I would hate to see someone lose their life long ability to LD due to having used a NovaDreamer or similar device to produce a couple of months of increased activity. Eventually, I think you would get so used to the music/lights/buzzing that they wouldn’t clue you in anymore.

Just throwing my 2 cents in,
Silk

Interesting! Why dont u use recognision tags instead of just sounds?
Like sampling your voice speaking your name, ot text with a hint that you are dreaming. Laberge did that and it worked not bad.
If u have two speakers u could also test with binaural sounds…maybe combined with your own voice samples?

greetz,
Jeff

The idea of using a voice never came to me, I suppose I could have tried that. I was also just using my laptops internal speaker to generate the sounds. I don’t have a fancy stereo setup for my bedroom, in fact I don’t really have a stereo, just not into audio equipment at all I am afraid.

Things to try another day perhaps, but the limitations on what I can do with sounds next to the bed are rather great right now, my wife is a very light sleeper. Sadly, I cannot sleep with headphones on.

Silk

Right now Im doing an experiment. While Im doing anything related to LDs or anything like that I listen to the same song so hopefully when I go to sleep I will hear this song and realize that Im dreaming. Like a dream soundtrack. lol

Anywaz…when i listen to it when im on this site i barely realize it when im reading. Maybe u could read for an hour with the cd on and turn it off before u go to sleep?

Mmm think what works better is to have a record were now and then is said that you…your name…is dreaming! Or play it while you sleep.
Sthephen laberge experimented with this and others and it works!
Especially when u play it when u sleep…the bottleneck seemed to be the sound volume!

Good luck!
Jeff

well I can say I gave up my method of dreaming track (conditioning), binaural beat leading to deep sleep, hemi-sync’s sleeping through the rain, then a voice telling me all sorts of things subliminally then audiable at the end. I guess I got tired of that hemi-sync track (does it even have pink noise or binaural beats?), although hearing it reminds me very well of how tired I was and all. I think I felt vibrations once and I fell asleep once after a few tries with WBTB. I guess it was working ok for WILD but I feel that natural work will get me there eventually.

Ed keep trying!

Ed, if this doesnt work Lucid wise, it had to have helped your problem solving skills and patience . . . . i’ve read every post on this thread and its improved my patience just getting thru it all . . . . i just looked into the concept of lucid dreaming after watchin Ed (all-too-cooincidentally). u know, the show about the lawyer who owns a bowling alley. The whole episode was his big lucid dream where he could make shit happen. That being said, i logged onto the internet and started researching it. The first night it was late when i read all about the false awakenings and like parallysis and i was kinda afraid to bump into one of those happenings. i find it hard to believe that i’d think i was awake but i really wasnt . . . . kinda hard to think that that could happen. this whole messing with my dreams has kind of been a thing that i was kind of afraid of, messing up my delicate system of dreaming. i havent had nightmares since like 2 years ago and i had like half of a nightmare the first night i looked into Lds. All i haveto say is be careful to what u mess with while ur asleep. seems like something could possibly go wrong and u’d mess up ur head or something . . . hehe . well i’m tired as crap and its 11:16 so ima see yall. keep us posted ed.

-Dushin

I actually got sick of playing round with this a few weeks ago. I might come back to it at a later date, don’t know. For the time being though, I’m trying other methods instead.

This is how I am though, I can’t stick at anything for too long. I get bored and lose interest after a while.

Ed.