GABA allowed me to have LD sex for the first time!!!!

Gary-Thanks for the tips, but I am not planning on trying GABA at the present time, until more others have tried it. I am really not interested in the sex part of the product, but rather the LD part. However, you wrote something which caught my eye, and that was

I remember reading somewhere that muscimol is a powerful hallucinogenic found in mushrooms such as the Amanita Muscaria and Amanita Pantherina, which are very poisonous but rarely fatal. I suspect that is a key trigger in your experience. By the way, I really like the way you write. Very engrossing reading.

I was about to respond to this a while earlier but just couldnt find the time(even got the special invitation,thx Gary:)
I dont know much about GABA but i had the experience with similar substance.By similar i mean its relaxing abilities.
And one thing there is for sure-its not bad at all if you have not much stuff to do planned ahead.Gary describes next morning as “mellow”,hehe…id rather say “completely useless”:).Maybe i had too big dose but for hours i felt like took out from a laundry…i could hardly move to get myself a drink.
It didnt cause me to have any effects dreamwise.I might give it another try with this specific GABA thing,but im still bit too aware of its next day effects.
And just my personal thought-my warm congratullations Gary for that sex thing,its allways nice to hear that someone reached such a stabilized ld,but it might as well be coincindental so to all future orgy planners:its not ld sex pill its just helpfull:)
take care:)

Um, no . I was just saying that some stuff I don’t remember too well, which I read on a forum and a newsgroup, some of which it seems was incorrect, did not provide an explanation for you experience. I would not dismiss an experience, however, just because I didn’t know how it came about.

You have a logical theory as to how it might work. While there isn’t enough data to draw conclusions, that wouldn’t stop me from investigating for myself if I saw some GABA for sale at a reasonable price, and I would be interested to read of further personal evidence either way from yourself and other users of this forum.

hmm… interesting stuff

Let us know if you do anymore experimenting with it.

GABA is availble from most health food stores, as bodybuilders use it.
Such as GNC, Holland and Barrett (May do it).

I have suffered from not going into REM sleep properly, since i am on a hefty dose of Imipramine.(Antidepressant)

My girlfriend has found me to wake up during the night, look at people or talk then go back to sleep instantly, without remeembering what happened in the morning.
Also i shake during my sleep like i am having a fit no doubt both related. I was offered some GABA when i was in GNC before asking for mugwort tinctures.
People use it for bodybuilding, but some stop taking it, as it causes too vidid dreams for people.

I wanted to give more details on the dosing of GABA for those who are thinking about trying it. You need to take it sublingually (under the tongue) and leave it there for a few minutes or as long as you can stand it, then swallow the remainder. It is basically tasteless, but it numbs your mouth after a while. It is advised to take it on an empty stomach, but I have found this to cause sour stomach so I chase it with a cup of juice and that isn’t too bad. The goal here is to aid its absorbtion. Following my research into the difficulty GABA has crossing the blood brain barrier implies that it is particularily important to get a high concentration of GABA into the blood. For goodness sakes, don’t anyone take what I just said and inject the stuff. That may well be LETHAL!!! !!! I advise starting with a small (1 gram or less) dose first to gauge what effect it will have on you. Some experience shortness of breath shortly after taking it, but supposedly this is not harmful. If 1 gram doesn’t give you any problems, then try 2, then try 3. If you do not get a numb body (while lying in bed) then increase dose to a max of 5 grams. If you are numb at 1 gram then just stay there.

Wizard- supposedly muscimol increases GABA levels, but I would suspect (without knowing much about it) that its hallucinogenic effects are due to other properties it has.

That’s cool. It was the most…pronounced…effect and I thought it would make for a funny headline. As Jack mentioned, is what we are talking about here is DREAM STABILITY. If you can achieve stability in your LD’s then ANYTHING can be experienced up to the limits of what is possible. Stability is the prerequisite- without it you are just going to wake up. The more stability a person can produce in their LD’s, the more freedom they have to fulfill their wishes- whatever those may be. I am hopeful that GABA can help produce that stability.

In producing that stability, perhaps GABA is only one means to that end. The actual goal here is probably sleep paralysis or at least a numb body. Achieving this condition shuts down the sensory input (especially touch) from entering the dream. I believe touch is the most important sense to be able to control for dream stability purposes. The other senses should not intrude unless by accident. Sight, sound, smell, taste- all these senses should be inactive already and if they are not then they should be made that way (i.e.- making the room darker, muffling sounds, removing odors, etc.). Touch is another matter. If everyone else is like me, this is why we wake up a lot. My position is uncomfortable, I’m too hot, my tooth hurts, etc. Take 3 to 5 grams GABA and you won’t CARE about these things- if you can even feel them that is.

Thank you for the compliment and support.

Jack-

Thank you Jack. I feel all tingly like I’ve been blessed by a “sex god” or something. I know its only one result, but I really hope it was more than coincidence. Coincidence to me would be picking tommorow’s lottery numbers. Having dream sex after THOUSANDS of attempts, both lucid and non lucid… well I hope its something more. The next lucid dream I have while on GABA I will attempt sex again. I am doing this merely for academic interest of course- you know to get data and all… It’s a tough task to have to undertake, but somebody’s got to do it.

Bowelfish-

Fortunately, I have a friendly disposition or I would be angry with you. I realize that it was unintentional, but your incorrect info and faulty memory caused me to have to do a lot of research to make sure my info was correct. Spending a couple of hours becoming a pseudo expert on the blood brain barrier is not my idea of a good time…

Stozzer-

This is a GOOD thing- vivid dreams tend to increase the odds of becoming lucid.

There’s no reason to be angry, Gary. I didn’t make any false claims for the information.

“I read on an earlier version of this forum something like…”

“a search on alt.dreams.lucid suggested that”

“So it would seem likely”

I had read some relevant text, and I gave the context.

Like other people who would have read my post you recognise that the source of the information affects how you interpret it. Something direct from the website of the university of texas would be treated differently than a newsgroup/forum user’s post.

Anyway the information you have gathered is appreciated.

I’m kinda sidetracked.

I meant to say that I saw a tub of GABA in a healthfood shop for £8.99.
I considered this too expensive and didn’t buy it. Then I got in my friend’s car and he was speeding and killed a hippo. We were pursued on foot by some kind of authority figure who was very angry. I tried to say some things in defence of my friend, then I woke up.

Bowelfish- I’m all for people speaking their minds and giving their opinions, etc. I am only suggesting (not only to you) to take a little care when posting, especially when you are offering claims counter to someone’s theory they are trying to present, that the information that you are offering is correct. A few extra minutes of genuine research on your part would have saved hours of effort on my part. I can not just respond to what you said with “you are wrong”, but have to do so credibly- that means gathering data from reliable sources.

Let me give you an example to explain what I’m talking about. I assume you are familiar with Wizard’s phase 2 method he introduced recently? Let’s suppose I was to go to this topic and post the following things (NONE ARE TRUE)

1. I have heard that viewing 3-d images for long periods of time can cause seizures.
2. A psychology student friend of mine says that autohypnosis/trance techniques are not only ineffective, but can cause multiple personality disorders.
3. I read on a forum somewhere that wearing sunglasses in the dark can lead to blindness.

I then conclude this by saying that wizard’s method “has no firm basis in theory” and can actaully be harmful. Now, all of these things are INACCURATE, to the best of my knowledge, but let’s assume that I actually did hear all of these things and was posting in good faith. That one minute post of mine will put wizard into a tizzy and (if my gauge of him is accurate) he’s going to be spending probably a day doing boring useless research to defend his method. What’s he supposed to say “your wrong”? NO. He has to back it up with credible sources.

So all I’m saying to everyone, not just bowelfish, is that before you blow holes in someone’s theories, to think of the grief you are going to cause that person and be as sure as possible that your info is correct. It is easy to tear something down, but hard to create.

When the creators have a negative experience when sharing their creation, they tend not to continue sharing…
P.S. no hard feelings bowelfish and I am not attacking you with this post. I know it was unintentional. I am not angry- just dissapointed. I am sure I am guilty of doing the same at one time or another…

quick question…about how much of this stuff is a gram? I dont have a scale to measure it handy… I ordered from extremesupplements.net, is that little white spoon thing they give you a gram? or something comparable to a teaspoon?

I did not get a white spoon in my tub- unless its buried and I haven’t found it. I don’t have a gram scale myself, so I had to “guesstimate” the volume of a gram based upon 200 grams being in the tub. The gram weight per teaspoon will vary depending upon the density of the substance. GABA is pretty fluffy, so I would compare it to flour or powdered sugar which is 2.5 grams per teaspoon. Why don’t you start with a half teaspoon and see what that does for you. When I take it now, I take a heaping teaspoon at bedtime. I have noticed a decent effect though when taking only a half teaspoon in conjunction with the wbtb method. Good luck.

While I’m at it, I’ll give what updates I can. I suggest only trying GABA on one or two nights a week. I think more than that and a tolerance will be developed to it. I only try it once a week or so and I usually only average 1 lucid per week anyway, so it may take 7 weeks before I’ll have another lucid with a GABA dose. If I then remember to attempt dream sex (usually don’t have a problem here…) then I will post my results. I did have some dream sex results with melantonin though recently. I had thought about my premise of GABA’s numbing the body as the reason behind the results and melatonin wipes me out pretty good as well so I upped my dose from a normal 6 mg to 9 mg and I did achieve another orgasm in a non lucid dream. Now, was this result a function of my “dream virginity” being broken down by the GABA previously or was it the melatonin itself responsible, or a combination? Don’t know, but I thought it would be worthwhile to mention.

I did not get a white spoon in my tub- unless its buried and I haven’t found it. I don’t have a gram scale myself, so I had to “guesstimate” the volume of a gram based upon 200 grams being in the tub. The gram weight per teaspoon will vary depending upon the density of the substance. GABA is pretty fluffy, so I would compare it to flour or powdered sugar which is 2.5 grams per teaspoon. Why don’t you start with a half teaspoon and see what that does for you. When I take it now, I take a heaping teaspoon at bedtime. I have noticed a decent effect though when taking only a half teaspoon in conjunction with the wbtb method. Good luck.

While I’m at it, I’ll give what updates I can. I suggest only trying GABA on one or two nights a week. I think more than that and a tolerance will be developed to it. I only try it once a week or so and I usually only average 1 lucid per week anyway, so it may take 7 weeks before I’ll have another lucid with a GABA dose. If I then remember to attempt dream sex (usually don’t have a problem here…) then I will post my results. I did have some dream sex results with melantonin though recently. I had thought about my premise of GABA’s numbing the body as the reason behind the results and melatonin wipes me out pretty good as well so I upped my dose from a normal 6 mg to 9 mg and I did achieve another orgasm in a non lucid dream. Now, was this result a function of my “dream virginity” being broken down by the GABA previously or was it the melatonin itself responsible, or a combination? Don’t know, but I thought it would be worthwhile to mention.

Just to let anyone from the UK who is interested know, GABA was in the last week or so, banned from sale in the UK.

It is down to some tv doctor, who advised womens suffereing from a certain condition to take it. Anyone who knows much about gaba will tell you, GABA is quite powerfull when taken by females. Apparently some women took a little too much, and it messed her up. Resulting it in being banned.

I have asked around in shops around here to see if they have any left in stock. They say its only going to be availble from the internet in this country. or maybe its just gonna have to be an overseas order, havent checked the net for it yet myself.

I heard that taking powders sublingially will give you tongue cancer. I read it on the internet couple days ago…yea!

I think my mom said that if you use GABA to have lucid dreams, then you can’t ever have them again normally.

And also you need to be safe because GABA was banned in UK cause at the operating plant, some workers put cocaine in as a joke. Not a funny result,some lady went crazy, I got that from the newspaper.

Well thats all my scholary resources I could come up with, I will try and bring you some more reliable information as soon I find another credible source as good as the previous ones.

oh ya! almost forgot, my friend overheard someone saying GABA supports terrorism…

J05h

I just read all the hub bub about GABA and am deciding to try it out for myself. I did a search and I found GABA 750 at GNC. This is basically GABA but it capsule forms at 750mg each. I plan on taking 2 capsules tonight (1.5mg) to see what my results will be. I’m going to use some mild techniques as well. Hopefully I’ll have some results. Usually I remember at least one dream a night vividly and about a month ago I had a lucid dream without trying any techniques. Also hopefully the capsule form is the same as the powdered form. Here goes!

ok after rereading this post I decided to take 4 capsules, or 3mg of GABA. I felt a little bit tingly and decided it was time for sleep. I tried some MILD techniques. I woke up about 4 hours later with no dream recall at all. I usually wake up a few times during the night so I figured this was ok.

What was next was what was weird. I had a dream where I started to drive in my car through my neighborhood. There were a decent amount of people walking dogs and for some reason my car wasn’t handling well and I almost hit all of them. Well finally I got to my house, drove a little past, and I saw my dog out there. My mom would never ever let my dog out of the house unsupervised, so I realized I was dreaming, but I could not become lucid. Granted, I believe this is a breakthrough because it is the second time I have realized that, but does anyone think the GABA could be inhibiting lucidity, or perhaps helping it and I should try again tonight? I’m curious as to your input.

well I took an afternoon nap and had a lucid dream. how do you like that? I’m going to try GABA once more tonight and hold off for the rest of the week so I can build up a tolerance. Just wanted to give people some info that it might work for you. It seems to have worked for me.

Well I read in my news paper in a very short like one paragraph article about GABA. It’s a natural neurotransmitter in your brain that I guess decreases with age. Some older people took it in this test and it is said that it helped them with memory and thought clarity because the neurotransmitter GABA works to counteract some of the extra brain waves that can interfere with clear thinking. If this is true then it makes sence that it would help with lucid dreaming.
I kind of remember learning about this in my physical brain psychology class…
Also since you said it numbs your body it sounds like it makes it easier to wake your mind without waking your whole self.
Yourgod you sound close to LDing! I would say just keep it up and experiment like you aree already doing.

Well…I hope Gary32 or YourGod is reading this…I need some help over here,any help from anyone will be appreciated.

This post actually caught my interest and I decided to try out some GABA.I found GABA 750 from GNC like YourGod did(I couldn’t find the powdered one).The first night I tried taking 3 capsules(roughly 2 grams) and experienced nothing…

But the point is,when I took 6 capsules the 2nd night(4.5g) I still felt nothing,I am not even talking about lucid dreams here,I couldn’t even feel a single bit of numbness(no numbness = no stable lucid dream),even after waking up!Can somebody tell me what is wrong here?Does powdered form of GABA taking sublingially work better?I am going to try it again next week but before trying again I would like to make sure about this.

And Gary32,you mentioned using GABA in conjuncture with WBTB,do you mean you take GABA after awakening from 6 hours of sleep or do you take when you first go to sleep then wake up and then go back to sleep again?

Thanks a lot.

Well, it’s definitely intriguing as an idea, but I don’t think I’ll try it. Partly because I couldn’t afford it, and secondly because I would hate to use any form of drug to influence my thinking or brain. I just see something wrong with it. Also hypnosis, I could never stand to do that. In fact, I don’t even like meditation. I wonder what my problem with all this stuff is? It just makes me feel uncomfortable.

Sorry, I’m rambling.

I got 250g of pure ACS grade GABA today. Most of it is for a different use that chances are no one here knows about - involves a place where bees are

I have taken about 7 grams throughout the day and look forward to seeing what effect it will have on my dreams. I took some B complex a few days ago and that resulted in vivid dreams as well. Will post report tommorow