Kinda like panting?
This sounds very interesting. Just gotta find some rhythmic music. Am I supposed to breathe in time with the music?If someone answers my questions and I get around to it I’ll post my results.
It occured to me that the effects of rapid breathing look simmular to hypnagogoic hallucinations and these are associated with theta brain waves. So i looked for situations in which the brain generated alot of theta waves, which were; floating*, meditating, rythmic breathing, and sleep paralysis/rem-sleep, these states of consciousness all seem to induce feelings of relaxation and/or calmness followed by hypnagogic hallucinations.
I’m wondering if relexation is connected with accelerated breathing…
*‘floating’ is lying in a completely dark and sondproof tank filled with water (flotation tank) if you stay in it long enough your mind starts plaing tricks on you hehe, which is a pretty cool experience. see link: floatdreams.com/brainwaves.htm
There seem to be a lot of different methods that allow one to enter into this LD-like state, but what I’m wondering is if there is a method that can allow one to quickly enter into an LD. The holotropic breathing sounds like it has potential and doesn’t require years of training. But I still don’t know how to do it. Rapid breathing to music has been mentioned, but how rapid and what music and is that all it takes?
I found a text which might be of use, there is written alot of spiritual crap in it but just ignore it and go for the instructions.
Did you try it by chance? I’m about to. I’m wondering though why it is to be done for exactly 36 minutes. That seems a bit random. 
I didn’t try it yet. EXACTLY 36 minutes sounds a bit hilarious indeed. I found another text which deals with the matter:
Some pretty interesting experiences… after about five minutes of the breathing, I started experiencing the most intense HI that I’ve ever had. All of the sudden, there were faces and buildings and lots of random things swirling around in the black emptiness. I didn’t know whether to continue the breathing or to try and WILD at this point. I started feelings some twitches as if WILD vibrations were about to begin. I kept with the breathing, but found it hard to continue after this point. My consciousness was very hard to hold onto (maybe b/c I did the breathing before going to bed and after I just woke up in the morning?) and whenever I would regain it, I would find that sometimes I had stopped breathing or sometimes had just returned to normal. I’m going to try again but to some trance music or something. I think that would help me keep the rhythm.
I’ve never successfully WILD-ed, but I think that using this breathing technique, I got the closest yet. Really, after 5 minutes, strange things were happening. I’m interested to find out what happens at 36.00 minutes. 
Sounds intresting, maby the effect can be enhanced by mixing those trance beats with ‘Binaural Beats’.
I was wondering about the chemistry going on in the brain during these LD-like states and found the following: “Skeptics often glibly dismiss NDEs as a result of the lack of oxygen to the brain …” 
The breathing exercises are actually super-oxygenating the blood. I don’t know what my point is, but I just find it odd that the same experience seems to be the result of opposite causes. 
Okay, I’m kind of lost…but could somebody explain exactly how you do the breathing (that link was confusing). Sage, could you tell us exactly what you did, like what you did while exhaling/inhaling, were you lying down/sitting, eyes closed/open, how long was each exhale/inhale? Thanks, ben
Okay, here’s what I did… I was lying down with my eyes closed and my arms at my sides (I don’t think position is so important - just that you’re comfortable.) I didn’t have any blankets on me (again, may not be important). Breaths were a little more rapid than normal - between 1 and 2 seconds on inhale, same on exhale. The exhale isn’t forced, you just let your breath come out on its own. I think the key is that as soon as the exhale is finished, you inhale. There is no pause. It’s a circular breathing pattern, inhale and exhale are about the same length and as soon as one is done, you start the other. I’ll be interested to hear other people’s results. Good luck!
The question remains if the effect of circular/deep breathing is the result of a higher level of oxygen saturation or of a change in the balance of the brain stem breathing centres. Or maby it’s a combination of both becouse one usually gets a high feeling with a higher oxygen intake. I dont’t know if the effects of a NDE are similar to that of CBreatihng.
Is it just me, or is there acually less oxygen intake, meaning less oxygen getting to the brain, which isnt a really good thing. I dont know, I just didnt really feeling like i was getting more air than normal. I got really dizzy and disoriented
Here one can not rule out oxygen deprivation as a contributing factor. SaO2 reflects oxygen bound to hemoglobin. Hemoglobin will hang on to oxygen in alkalotic states. When oxygen remains bound to hemoglobin, the cells in the body and brain are still deprived of oxygen even if SaO2 levels are high or within normal range. The breathing may have affected the alkalinity of the brain or blood and thereby deprived the brain of oxygen. Without a pH test, it is impossible to know. Actually it could be anything from the interaction of breathin stimulation with the basic rest-activity cycle or with “higher-order” memory or attentional processes.
So…anyone try?
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I can’t recall… did the author have an adress to write to in the back of The Holographic Universe? Its been a few months since I read it. Perhaps you could contact him and find out more information about Holotropic Breathing
Dug around for some info on it but found most of it was for workshops where you learn to do it. Why can’t people help people out without the almighty dollar… anyway:
pub92.ezboard.com/fmovingintosti … D=18.topic
7thheavenyoga.com/deepening_practice.htm
Just a few…
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH SOMEBODY POST AN EXPERIENCE!!! I COMMAND YE TO DO SO!!!
From what i have read, you are supposed to breath as fast and deep as you can. Short and fast breathing is not supposed to be very healthy.
There seems to be a greater emphasis on selling Holotropic workshops than on describing how to do it. I did find the following:
[b]Description of Process
The evocative music begins at this point and lasts for approximately 2 hours. The breather begins breathing faster and deeper as instructed by the facilitator. Some breathwork facilitators suggest usings a “circular breath” (meaning no pauses between the in- and out-breaths) in addition to the deeper and more rapid breathing. The breathing process is up to the breather. Some people ask their sitters to remind them to breath faster and deeper (often by a light touch of the shoulder) if they begin to fall asleep early on in the process. If pain or tension appears in the body during the process and is not resolved by the breath, focused bodywork is offered by the facilitator.[/b]
(Full text: https://www.holisticmed.com/inner/breath/holotropic.html)
I think this description along with the idea of “forcing” the inhale and relaxing on the exhale should cover how to do it.
Now maybe ben7 can give it a try and tell us what happened??? 