The big WILD topic part VII

Immortal to fall a sleep you need serotonin.
U can buy the precursor of serotonin and thats tryptophan an aminoacid.
Take that with 3 gram honey or grapesugar not with normal sugar…it will help for the trytophan to enter your brain.
If you are from the U.S.A then u cant bye trytophan…illegal…so in that case buy bananas…eat 2 or so with glass of milk and some honey.
Bananas, turkey meat, milk and cheese contain also tryptophan.
your body transforms it into serotonin and u fall a sleep more easy also while wilding lol. For that process is also needed magnesium and vit b6, if u want to optimize it lol.

Jeff

Ah- Thanks a lot, Jeff, I only wish I’d know that sooner…

Anyway I looked it up, and in case you wanted to know, foods containing high amounts of magnesium are:

Spinach, Avocados, Barley, Chocolate, Pumpkin seeds, Oysters, Sunflower seeds, Brazil nuts, Amaranth, Buckwheat, Quinoa, and Almonds.

Foods high in Vitamin B6:

Sweet potatoes, --Bananas (! 2 birds with one stone!)-- , Mangoes, Rice, brown, Sunflower seeds, Tuna, Chick-peas, Salmon, Pork, fresh, Potatoes, Turkey, Chicken, Bok choy, Barley, and Avocados.

Tonight: Bananas and chocolate milk!!
That sugar content may just make that backfire…

Oh yes, one more thing, I’m not about to plagiarize:
This information was researched from wholehealthmd.com.
Coincidentally, these three, combined with calcium, vitamin E, and zinc, defend against PMS. (Of course I was too stupid to know that, I yahoo-searched for the three and found them all listed in the PMS section)

Good info Infection0! thx!
Chocolate milk contains caffeine so dont drink liters lol…

Greetings,
Jeff

ok question… i’ve never been good with WILD. whenever i try to do it i fail, but some nights, usually after i have waken up in the middle of the night and am going back to sleep, i’ll notice that i’m dreaming (a very very faded dream btw) as soon as i realize it, i lose it and wake up fully

i almost don’t even wanna call these WILDs cause i’m still in my physical body, don’t notice any sleep paralysis or vibrations, it’s more like a daydream

anyway this morning a strange thing happened i realized i was having one of these WILD/daydreams as i was trying to go back to sleep and the realization didn’t make it fade. i could sorta steer the dream and noticed that i was dreaming about stuff that i was thinking about as i was trying to drift off to sleep.

it’s kinda hard to explain, i couldn’t really take over the dream (i knew if i tried i would wake up) and it was so faded that i knew how fragile it was, and i could still feel my physical body, it was like i was watching a movie playing on the inside of my eyelids

can anybody offer any insight assistance. i’d like to be able to stabilize this WILD/daydreams/whatever they are.

Isn’t that just hypnagogic imagery?

i thought hypnagogic images were just random images… these are actually dream sequences people will be talking stuff will be happening

Oneiromancer i know what u mean i have that sometimes…in the morning, and sometimes at day when i listen to lol old ub40 music and let myself totally relax…then i c a dream…but am not in it…weird to explain…if i relax deeper i am then in the dream to…but if i only blink with my thoughts i am thrown out of it…it means u have then a great amount of alpha waves in your brain and some theta waves…witch connect to rem sleep but still not yet totally is yet rem sleep as we normally know it. So its indeed a special state of consciousness…it connects waking and rem sleep at the same time.

greetz,
Jeff

cool, thx for the insight

Quite often how I have LDs is when i’ve just woken up from a dream and I’m still in that sleepy state I’ll just concentrate on where I last was in the dream and fall back into it. Are these WILDs? Cause I never get any of the vibrations and stuff that other people talk about.

yes Jabbervock those are wilds to…u dont have to go through the vibrations in all forms of wild…there are many ways to practise a wild.
Your sleepy state lol helps u in this…hehe…if u where some hours awake this would be way more difficult. When you are still sleepy your cortex isnt yet so dominant yet…so yes that can happen…probably also some other level of neurotransmitters are still a bit different then when you are hours awake already.

I sometimes go into a ld from meditation state…i plan that so to happen sometimes…and then u also got no vibrations!
I tried this a few times with the aid of melatonin and then it was even easy…way more easy then when i normally try to go from meditation to dream state with consciousness. So it could be your melatonin level plays a role in this Jabbervock!

Greetz,
Jeff

!@#@!#!

I need some SERIOUS help, I’ve just been lying in bed for about an hour and a half, I tried concentrating, I tried relaxing, I tried some of the 61-point relaxation method - NOTHING. I had a few small vibrations in my right leg but they went away. En Oh Tee Aych Ay En Jee! NOTHING! I just can’t fall asleep, and the thing is I’m tired too, so it should be easy but I just can’t.

Anyone who can help me is welcome to try

immortal: patience is the key of being able to succeed in WILDing. Remember that.

great to hear that athiest

found some doc with an unusual wild techniqe (if you can’t read german u can use some webpage translator) animus.fateback.com/animus/klartraum/6.html

Actually, a friend of mine can induce REM at will. But yeah, it’s rare.

If you attain a WILD during a time when you wouldn’t normally be going into REM sleep, you’re probably causing hypnagogic hallucinations of some kind, which can in turn trigger REM. It’s just much harder for most people.

Hopefully someone can tell me something about what this lucid dream was. It was a LD I had at night straight after going to sleep. I wasn’t trying to have a LD.

My mind was in a state of hyperactivity/daydreaming/hard to explain, random images of things flying around and stuff. It happens to me once every couple of months, it’s not unpleasent but makes it hard to get to sleep. After a while I decided to try some breathing exercises (one I made up, dunno what it’s good for, probably just hurting my chest). I breath in until I literally cannont breath in any more, then I breath out (making a rrrrr sound) until my lungs are entirely empty, repeated several times. After that I was a bit breathless and panted for a little while before drifting into a semi-dream, tho I was still concious. I was watching flights of aircraft, the name which came to my mind was herculus, the planes were flying in a swooping rollercoaster motion, I could see more planes receding into the distance, when I looked closely at a group of around a dozen planes i could see they were too close, merging with each other, like what you get in a computer game with poor collision detection. One of the planes fell out of formation… swooped towards the ground, ever closer.
Then suddenly I WAS that plane, swooping, I could feel the acceleration, a few moments later I snapped into true dreaming, and immediately became very lucid. I was outside my parents house and at the end of my outstreched arm was a lorikeet (a colorful parrot), it tried to bite my finger. Altough the scenery was strangely undetailed, the sky kinda orange and sickly looking. I took off and somehow had all the power of an aircraft inside me, for the first time I could fly superman style (or as I prefer, Neo style) instead of a slow gliding flight I previously used.

I flew to a city where I tried to choose what would appear behind doors… it didn’t really work, and after a while I stopped trying. I ended the dream in a room full of people sorting lots of icecubes into boxes, I was overheating and tried rubbing the ice on my skin (it immediately sublimed) and also eating it. It was warm ice.

I awoke sweating profusely (it wasn’t a hot night), completely amazed that I had just had a lucid dream.
The strange thing about the dream was that until the last room it was incredibly bland. When i was flying there was a close curtain horizon, stuff “popped up” like in many computer games. It was as if I had become lucid so early in the dream that my mind hadn’t had time to create the world.

The last time I had looked at the clock before going to sleep it was about 1:00am, after the dream it was about 2:00am. I was unable to go back to sleep for several hours afterwards, probably due to the excitement.

All my other LDs have been in the morning, when I wake up then go back to sleep.

'lo. I’m pretty new to this place, so I hope you forgive me if I make mistakes anywhere.

I think I sometimes experience WILD’s, but I’m not sure. I had someone describe it to me and the symptoms seem familiar, only I get ‘pulled’ into it. I don’t know if this is common or not, but I’ve been wondering about it for a while.

It usually occurs when I first have trouble getting into sleep, or wake up at an odd hour in the night. It always occurs involuntarily and I haven’t tried to induce it. It starts by my eyes falling shut, even when I try to open them - they just fall down again. As soon as they’re closed for a few seconds I have a powerful sensation of being ‘pulled away’, an enormous sound of rushing blood fills my ears and often I feel like my ears are going to bleed or parts of my body will cramp and break under the pressure. This lasts for a bit until I ‘fall’ into a dream and anything I might be thinking at the moment immediately shapes the images I see. After a while I usually lose control of the dream.

I often find it pretty scary when this happens, even though I know nothing can really physically happen to my body, it sure feels like it. If I’m too tense at the moment to let myself be carried away (the pressure and noise gets worse then), I try to break out of it by moving muscles. By the time I’m there, I can never move my body unless I really focus on it. As soon as I move, I break out of it - but I still see the images in front of my eyes, even when they’re wide open. In fact, with my thoughts, I can still shape the images I see dancing in front of my open eyes.

I’m not sure if this qualifies as a WILD or involuntary WILD but it seems to fit the description - unable to move body, increasing noise and pressure, and being able to shape exactly what I see at the beginning. I also hope someone might have some advice on this because often when I experience it it’s quite painful (not in reality, but it doesn’t feel great) and somewhat frightening too.

yes yes you are a natural WILDer. Congratulations. Now where did you get that spiffy avatar?

Hi, I’m Technodreamer. Please forgive me if I make mistakes.

I think I’m on my way to WILDing. I can focus on an image on my mind really well. Anyway, I feel this falling sensation which then turns into a soft shaking or rocking sensation. I start to feel vibrations, but then loose focus. I focus harder on the blackness in my eyes, and feel like I could just float or throw myself up into the air. Like my body has no weight. But then I loose it with a feeling of sometimes being snaped back into place.

I know these symptoms are more like OBEing, but could I use it to WILD instead. I always put a fan on in the background to block all other noises.
What do you think? Any suggestions or comments?

Technodreamer

I’m a natural WILDer? Wow… weird.

As for the avatar, I’m a manga/anime fan. I got it from a wallpaper I found. ^^