I tend to listen to just one in a day, and not every day.
Just a thought about the seratonin preset… I had this vision of people at a rave all dancing around wearing headphones listening to brainwave generator CDs 
and then on the news… " According to police, the latest underground designer drug comes in cd form. commonly used at raves and dance clubs, this dangerous new drug is not yet regulated!"
Another thing some of you might want to try is sbagen
It’s a free binaural beat brain wave generator (well, something like that). It comes with some nice presets like focus 10 (some of you might know this ‘state’) and so on.
Well, give it a try if you want.
I just thought I’d let people know that I’m now in the process of trying to make my own Brainwave Generator Lucid Dreaming preset. By looking at the list of frequencies, it says that 3.9Hz is associated with Lucid Dreaming.
I am designing one that goes down to this frequency, with the idea that I would use it in conjunction with trying to stay awake and doing a WILD technique.
I’m pretty convinced that there is serious LD potential in Brainwave Generator as long as it’s not relied upon entirely, if used instead as a tool to enhance an existing WILD technique.
I know from past experience that it can be very easy to fall asleep whilst listening to Brainwave Generator, especially when listening to frequencies which go that low down. My aim is to combine this along with trying to keep a part of the mind awake, either through visualisations, counting, breathing, or whatever.
I am designing it to my own personal preference, because through trial and error I have discovered that I like my Brainwave Generator presets made a certain way which I have found to work almost perfectly for me. I like to begin with 15 minutes of the centering frequency of 12Hz (to give me time to get relaxed), and then do a sweep downwards at the rate of 1Hz per minute. I also have brown noise at half volume, and have the binaural tone itself set at a very low 15%. I find this perfect, and I can listen to it at quite a quiet volume and not really notice the tone and just hear mainly the quiet noise, and it works best for me like that.
If anybody wants a copy of it once I’ve finished making it, I’ll be more than happy to share it.
And even if in the unlikely event that this doesn’t work eventually, it won’t be wasted, because it will all be good practice for trying to stay awake while the body falls asleep.
Ed.
I think you can upload it on the bwgen.com site, in the presets section. It would be a great way to share it. I would be interested in trying it, in any case.
I can see it now: “LD Brought to you by Ed Case” preset. We’ll rate it for you!
Last night I slept listening to Dream Experience 1.4.1, put on repeat…
(I’ve never been able to sleep to it before…) You might recall from another posting of mine this particular bwgen preset made me vibrate the first time I listened to it. I was hoping it would do it and induce a WILD for me, but no go. I did feel a slight possible vibration but nothing more.
I did have a weird non-lucid dream with a bathroom this time.
I have been developing my Bwgen preset, and my latest idea goes like this:
The theory is that it’ll get you really relaxed, and then pureposefully send you to sleep for a few minutes, and then have a brief spike of increased frequency, at which point you become slightly more concious, just enough to then start a WILD technique while the Bwgen takes you back down.
Well, something like anyway, it’s still in the development stages. I’m just trying ideas out on myself.
You see, when I tried the one that went down from 12 to 3.9, I was trying to focus on a technique, and I found that I kept my mind TOO active and the Bwgen stopped being as effective as it would have done if I had just relaxed into it. So my idea now is to just go with the flow for the first bit, and just let myself be drawn down into it, but THEN have the bit where it rises back up every few minutes (or maye just once? not sure yet), to temporarily increase conciousness just enough to take control.
My theory is then, that if the volume is set fairly soft, that once the mind is on it’s way towards the goal of an LD, that the brain will the switch off from following the monotonous sound of the Bwgen, and then off you go into your LD world.
It’s all just theories and experiments though at the moment, and I’m just going to keep messing around with it until it works. Nothing else has worked for me lately, so I’m perfectly happy to experiment on myself, because I feel quite experienced with Brainwave Generator now, and it’s certainly fun playing around with it anyway.
Ed.
Update
Still no luck so far, but still trying, and it’s been fun experimenting so far.
I’ve been radically changing my approach each time I try a new version. Also, I’m trying it at different times. Afternoon, morning. I haven’t got round to trying one in the middle of the night yet though, so I may backtrack to other versions for that purpose (different conditions may lead to different results).
Each time I try one and it doesn’t quite do what I want, I then immediately create a new version for the next time. I have been numbering them simply in integers. This morning I tried 11 and then created 12.
12 has a drastically different approach to the previous ones. Here is a description of it:
15 minutes at 12Hz. Down to 10Hz, spending 10 minutes there. 10-minute slightly curved sweep down to 3.9Hz. 10 minutes at 3.9 as it fades out, leaving only modulating brown noise.
Now, about the noise. Instead of constant brown noise, this time I opted for modulation at the “Slow Waves” setting. This then gradually slows down as the preset goes on, and then in the last 10 minutes, while the 3.9Hz tone fades to silence, the noise goes slightly quieter but then still remains.
The idea of all this is to create preset which acts as a sleep inducer, but then a slow modulating wave type sound remains, which might re-awaken (or keep awake) some part of your conciousness.
At the moment it’s all just theories and experiments, but it’s all good fun finding out what sort of things happen if you do certain things with Brainwave Generator. And it’s good to have a goal to focus on (Lucid Dreaming).
I haven’t tried this one out myself yet, but I will either tonight or tomorrow. If anybody else wants to volunteer to test it out as well, then I can easily upload it to my web space. Clark Kent? Want to give it a try? It would be fun to compare notes.
Ed.
Ok, Ed, I’d like to try it…
This night I listened to Dream Experience 1.4.1 again but after I woke up
during the night. The dreams from that point on were more unusual e.g. the dream about the prince and his ex-girlfriend trying to kill him… See my dream diary for the whole dream. But still no lucid dream. I also had 2 peppermint teas which definitely helped improve my recall.
Also, I’d just like to point out that this is intended to be listened to fairly quietly. The intention is for the tone itself to be only just audible, and the noise modulations to be just a nice quiet sound.
It sounds like waves… very nice…
It seems to have worked for me somehow - during one dream I was aware that it was just a dream (didn’t do anything though - must have been low level lucid).
I will try it again.
Thanks, Ed! This is really a great preset. You should upload it to bwgen.com’s preset library.
That’s interesting, because when I tried 12 nothing happened. But that might have something to do with when I tried it. I didn’t try it in the middle of the night. Maybe I should get into using it then.
Anyway, here’s two more:
mejc.demon.co.uk/Wake_Induce … per_14.bwg
mejc.demon.co.uk/Wake_Induce … per_15.bwg
14 is goes all the way down to 3Hz, before then briefly sweeping back up to 10.6Hz (relaxed alertness) and then fading out. I haven’t tried this one yet, because as soon as I’d made it I had the idea for 15 and tried that one instead.
15 has a longer time at 12Hz at the beginning, and then goes down to 8Hz (the border between Alpha and Theta) where it stays for 5 minutes and then fades out. The idea is to get you as relaxed as possible while still being completely concious, and then using a WILD technique after that. I tried it this afternoon, and although I didn’t have a LD, it was quite an interesting experience. I realised that by using a preset like this, I could stay in a similar state long after the preset had faded out, and it was then that things started to become the most interesting. What I experienced was this: slight vibrations, a kind of sense of my mind being still, and then a randomly recurring sensation which I can only describe as a black void briefly trying to pull my mind backwards. All very subtle, but I definately noticed it, and it was definately different to when the preset was still playing.
Ed.
I think I’ll be trying 12 again tonight, then tomorrow I’ll try 15…
Thanks for the presets… I read that Dream Experience is being updated too. That might be interesting also.
It really worked this time!
When I woke up, I did a WILD with counting while listening to Ed’s preset no 12.
I counted up to 100 twice actually, losing track some times and possibly repeating numbers.
But I slept, losing awareness… Then I dreamt some dreams and suddenly noticed it was a dream. Nothing tipped me off, I just was aware.
I posted the LD in my dream diary.
Thanks once more, Ed!
I think I’ll try the other preset tonight and I’ll see what happens. But no 12
was very much ok (and you can easily sleep to it).
YAY! That’s so cool!
The stupid thing is, I’ve only tried this one myself during the day, I’ve yet to try it at night.
Tell me, when did you listen to it? Did you sleep for a few hours first and then wake up?
Anyway, about my progreass (or lack of it)…
I tried 15 last night, absolutely nothing. I was still completely awake, so I tried 14 straight afterwards. Still nothing much, because I reallised that it bringing me back up to 10.6Hz afterwards is a really bad idea, because then I was simply awake again.
Then I made a few others today, and didn’t get to try them all (because I seam to often make several at once but then be most enthusiastic about the most recent one).
One thing I’ve found lately is that I’m wondering whether I’m making them too long, because my brain seams to be getting bored after about 25 to 30 minutes and then just simply ignoring it and waking back up. So I decided to try making another one which just starts at 6.5Hz, stays there for 20 minutes and then fades out. I might try it tonight. But what you said has me thinking about maybe trying 12 tonight.
Do you want me to upload any more, or are you happy with 12?
Let me know if you want to continue, because if you don’t then that’s fine, but if you do, I might as well just create a whole folder for this purpose, and then give you the URL to the folder, and I can upload to it whenever I want to and you can check it whenever it’s convenient for you.
Ed.
For me it’s ok if you want to make more. I’ll try them. Yes, you could create a folder.
For tonight however I’ve changed my mind, if you don’t mind…
Since no 12 was so successfull I think I’ll try it again. Yesterday I received the Laberge book which might also have helped. Tomorrow I might try preset 15.
When I go to sleep typically at 11pm unless I manage to get to bed before,
I put the CD in my mp3/cd player on auto repeat, and play the track using earphones. I’ve tried it as an audio cd (on the other hand I had tried Dream Experience as a 320bps mp3…) with just one track - no 12. I am drinking peppermint tea (made from peppermint flowers) before going to sleep. Sometimes I eat a banana for the b vitamins it contains. I am not taking B complex vitamins for the moment. Tomorrow I will try a new pack of tea I bought - a pack of lots of different types, good for experimentation - I’ll start with a camomille + spearmint tea bag…
I seem to be waking up after I dream a bit and then I go to sleep again. This might be due to a glass of water I tend to drink before sleeping, a habit I got into this hot summer… mind you it’s still hot here. I generally try the WILD method (in what to me is the most natural way: by counting 1…i am dreaming, 2…i am dreaming, etc) plus before I think of having a lucid dream (MILD) [ perhaps not long enough? ]…
Oh, so you listen to it when you first go to sleep?
Well, seeing as I can’t decide whether to listen to 12 or 19 tonight, I’m gonna listen to 12 when I first go to sleep, and then wake up in the night and listen to 19.
Anyway, I’ve set up the folder:
mejc.demon.co.uk/bwg/
Feel free to check that whenever you feel like it, to see if I’ve uploaded anything. It might get updated quite often. Some of them you might be testing before I get round to testing them. I can’t say for certain whether each of them will do much, it’s all just an experiment really.
Ed.
Yes, that’s what I do. This night I ended up removing the earphones basically during the last hour and a half before I usually wake up. I had a false awakening (possibly helped by the Stargate episode I watched) and turned it into a lucid dream.
Thanks! I suggest you try that. No 12 was successful for me. I do try to WILD when I wake up using the counting method. I don’t seem to enter a dream consciously (so far) but the intention is there and that is what works, I think.
I know it’s an experiment. Perhaps you might upload no 12 to the bwgen site… It really is that good, in my opinion. Well it seems to have worked for me…