How Shared Dreams Are Scientificly Possible.

einstein also had a problem with gravity, because, gravity effects everything without delay. that is not possible if you stick to the relativity therory…
so scientists just said “gravity is something special, a property of the space” witch is no explaination, just an excuse!

i just had to say that :content:

ps: sorry for my :uh: :crazy: :crazy: - englisch :content: i’m austrian, you know :happy:

lol damn cool stuff. well who can tell yet give it 2 - 3 years :happy:

If you want to find evidence of SD, then I think the best candidates are identical twins. I wonder if anyone ever investigated if dreams of twins are connected to each other.

I believe that sense they share a special connection with one another and often can know when something bad has happened to the other. (I know non identical twins and it is amazing) I believe that their minds are in sync and when a dramatic thing happens they unconciously send signals to the other. However, I think the only way to send signals to someone who isn’t your twin is through lucid dreaming.

BTW. Something interesting. I was dreaming and tried to go through the mirror into someone’s dream world. But once goijg through I got shot back. However, when going anywhere else everything worked perfectly. When i woke up fromn the dream (On purpose to see why it didn’t work this time) I saw the clock and since he is 3 hours ahead of me he was already awake and gone. I tried this before and I successfully entered another unusual area. However, this far we have not made any contact with eachother.

hmm i have read a study on that, but it was inconclusive… spelling… i give up :razz:

Richard

What board did you read it on. was it nicknamed the coffee shop project? lol Actually i’m waiting for my permit to go on the researches board and bring my project there.

Actually it doesn’t. It is hard to measure, but it is thought that the influence of gravity actually moves at the speed of light. So if our sun was suddenly removed, it would take a couple of minutes for us to feel it.
And Attilitus, did you read my first post on this topic? I think you might need a more credible source. The reason things can 'communicate at the speed of light is because they are entangled. This is a scientific word that means that you can sort of observe one particle and know things about the other, but i believe that it doesn’t violate the law of information moving faster than light. I’m not sure why, but maybe you should do a google search for entanglement or entangled photons.

I’ve been reading theories on the string and quantum theories pretty thourouly. Also I have 3 sources there. All of which are pretty credible… well at least the last one is and all the others are in agreement with it. lol

Anyways it does defy einstine’s theory. Read the article on link 3 next to the paragraph on my site named the hologram effect. It says blatantly that it defys it.

Also gravity WAS something einstine couldn’t explain. He described it as a distortion of space time which seems plausible but when you really look into it you can tell that really it is impossible. Gravity causes distortion in space time. But gravity itself has never truely been explained. Also everything in the universe is pulling on us all the time. Gravity works faster than any known… well anything… just like the communicating particles it is very interesting.

Anyways… that is slightly besides the point. My sources are very credible for the most part. Link 1 and link 2 may not have name recog and might not be official but Link 3 pulls everthing together with the name recog assurance. Anyways… well i guess thats it.

Yea i read that topic… you just don’t seem to understand the article. It did not mean subatomic entanglement… i laugh at how you could make that conclusion just because it seems like a complicated principal yet by not even reading the whole article you are able to deduce that it is subatomic entanglement. The string theory has not been proven… YET… Actually there is not that much backing behind the string theory…

Besides the point though. The reason they included certain circumstances is because the most obvious signals that can be picked up only happen when there is a need for it. Also if you read the article it becomes clear that a whole bunch of science went into this. Just the simple fact that every particle contains the information in the entire universe is enough to support my cause. The fact that the particles actually show signs of complex communication is even more supportive. AND the fact that the brain itself is a hologram is even MORE reassuring… Now i’m not saying that my theory is absolutely right… but as of right now i’m thinking about a 1/4 chance that i’m right.[/code]

I didn’t read the article yet but if I recall well the theory is about holographic not light holograms.

Imagine a ghost brain… IMHO it’s difficult to really prove that matter is made of photons actually…

Ok i read the first thing and it doesn’t explain how we can get the information and percieve it as humans. HOW does it work. Why does it happen. It seems like they are just describing the possibilities IF it exists.

They do not give any specifics about the experiments. Only about the paranormal stuff. Which i am highly skeptical about. There is a million dollar prize for anyone who can prove paranormal phenomena and until someone takes that prize (because i know that they do through testing) i will continue to be highly skeptical of that paranormal stuff, so there is no point trying to tell me that the first article is credible. I do not know any good scientists that believe in that sort of thing. There are good scientists that test it however, as they rightly should, but thats getting off topic.

By the way the 3rd link on the site is the link i also provided earlier :smile:
I didn’t say that the holographic theory was compatible with Einstien’s theories, just that the certain aspect of entangled particles were. (I still have no other reason to believe that the first article was refering to anything different than this in experiments. And i didn’t say it with such certainty as you say i did, i merely suggested the idea from what i read. I couldn’t read it all because i had to go out, but now i did read the 1st and i have previously read the 3rd link)

Can you explain how you can tell that it is really impossible?

Can you quote this in the article. I see it mentioned, but i can’t find where it does defy it.
BTW i think that as science is expanding we are finding flaws with his theories like with quantum physics and string theory etc and the holographic principal may well defy it too, but i just couldn’t see where other than the fact that he didn’t think of it.
Also as far as i know gravity does not move at the fastest speed of anything in this universe, it moves at the SAME speed as light and other things without mass.

I wasn’t aware that the first site even talked about humans being able to send or recieve signals… I was simply making a hypothesis based on the facts that the universe is a hologram and the brain is a hologram. Thats really all I based it on. If one of the links also provided a hypothesis like mine well then I guess that makes me feel even more confident.

When you quoted me on the distortion of space time you should have quoted the whole paragraph. Anyone can be right if they quote just one sentence from an entire idea. Either way what I meant (And said) is that it was nearly impossible that gravity WAS a distortion in space time. Although there was no causen for the distortion therefore you must assume that gravity is a force that MAKES distortion rather than the fact that gravity IS distortion…

And this is really getting besides the point I find your posts getting a little beyond questioning and to the argumentative point. Please This is a theory there is only a 1/4 chance that it is correct in my viewpoint. But those odds in my mind are good enough for me to experiment with these ideas.

BTW… in the 3rd and 1st atricle it says clearly that it defys it because Einstines theory stated that no communication may exceed the speed of light.

Well, actually i asked you to quote the article, which to me means word for word. And i don’t mean to be argumentative, just wishing to discuss this topic further. And i would ask you how you come up with 1/4 chance, but i fear that it is just a guess.

After accusing me of not reading the link i will accuse you of the same :smile:

I won’t bother talking about gravity any more because that is offtopic, but i would have something to say.

And do experiment with these ideas even if the chance is less than 1/4 because the implications are tremendous. Do you know that scientists are testing to see if there is actually a preferred direction for light to travel. The chances are very small, but they still test it in case it is right because of the implications.

If you want information find it in the articles. I"m not going to quote something word for word… sorry just not going to happen. I figure 1/4 becasue it is undeniable that some form of phionics exist. Twins and such are perfect examples. testing with rabbits showed that a mother rabbit who gave birth to another was eternally linked with it. They took the baby away at birth to another lab and observed the mother after awhile she calmed down and seemed to forget about it. However, when the killed the baby… in another lab she got distressed and highly “in pain”.

All i’m really saying is that there is a 1/4 chance that we can control phyonics right now. There is a 100% chance they exist. My theory is simply laying scientific backing on to an otherwise unbackable topic. Now the chances that my hologram is the exact reason probably about 1/10.

If you do not have productive things to say then… well don’t say them… I don’t mine you questioning me thats fine just focus on the point.

What i am saying is productive.
If i find faults in what someone says it takes credibility away from them. If they claim to defy theories without any evidence and they lack credibility we are less likely to believe them. To show that someone is not credible is not non productive, it is searching for the truth. Just because it is critical (sorry if it is cynical) does not mean it is not productive.

Now since you are talking about those rabbits etc. i guess i can talk about that. I wonder if there is any way to tell that the pain was because of what happened to the other rabbit or if it was something else; a sickness for example. And by the way i am a twin and i have not had any paranormal experiences like that. I do think along the same lines as my twin, but nothing of that nature.

And by saying phyonics or phionics do you mean psionics? If so i will remind you that there is that prize for anyone who can prove it.
So saying that “it is undeniable that some form of phionics exist” is wrong to me. But i will remain open minded because it has not been proven that they can’t exist.

I am just being so critical because saying things like this, although you may believe them, can wrongly influence people that do not analyse the issue throughly. And also if you can prove me wrong then it just goes towards what you are saying and is more productive than you think. But if your proposal goes unchallenged, it remains doubtful for some.
If you want me only to ask questions then you are denying yourself the chance to strengthen your arguments.
P.S. I think the holographic principal is worth investigation and is a plausible idea, what i have the problem with is using it to explain physic phenomena.

I"M NOT HERE TO ARGUE ABOUT A THEORY I HAVNT" EVEN MADE. PEOPLE A HELL OF A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU MADE IT.

The rabbit experiment was done many many times. All with similar results. To say there was a sickness that struck her at that percise moment is stupid.

Stop talking about how the theory is wrong. People that have been spednign their lives on this made it. They are more qualified than you are and if they said the sky was going to turn red and you said it would stay blue I’m going with them. However, in this case their claims are far more plausible than the sky changing colors… so guess who I and everyone else that is reading this post is going to side with? Yep thats right the highly qualified scientists.

Phyonics (SP whatever) does exist. Phyonics in my eyes is a link between two peoples minds whethe concious or not. Twins are an excellent example. Its been proven that when the other is feelign something (Often dramatic) the other twin can feel that something is wrong with the other. This has been done with humans, animals, and tons of other things. As well as with the rabbit. There is some link between the twins and the mother and rabbit that is causing this. Scientists don’t know fully what it is but its something.

I would be highly thankful if you merely took this as a possible way for shared dreams can exist… unless you can think of a better one. That of which I highly doubt. This seems slightly plausible and has a 1/4 chance of being a factor in “Phyonics(SP)”

You say you are not here to argue yet you yell and you seem to be able to tell how smart i am and my background in science just by reading my posts. Anyway how do you know that they have had years of training? Just because they are scientists doesn’t mean that they are 100% right. I have also heard scientists say that psi stuff breaks the laws of physics so 2 groups of scientists going against each other, who do we believe? The more credible scientists. And science i know these people first hand they are quite credible. And you have not mentioned why these people have not taken the million dollar prize. It may not be heard everywhere, but i have heard the prize mentioned many times in the media. And i have seen the website which i forget at this time, but i will post it if i remember and if you care.
Do you also know that when people do experiments like the rabbit one if they are predisposed to a certain outcome then they might make mistakes to believe that the certain outcome happened.

P.S. If you claim that SD is possible without sufficient proof why shouldn’t i talk about how that is wrong?
And does anyone else have anything to say about this?

Does anyone find this interesting? Could it explain psionic occurances? I don’t know but it seems interesting. Please someone post your thoughts on how to explain psionic occurances and after you post that post whether or not my theory is plausible… (Follow steps dont’ go out of order or i’ll ignore)

Well, if you read The Holographic Universe (which I think everyone should if for no other reason than to entertain theories from cutting edge science) and accept it as true for arguements sake… then anything is possible. Part of the theory is that we are all one thing… one infinite mass of energetic soup and the only thing seperating us is our individual consciousnesses. There is no space to travel faster than the speed of light to because space and time don’t trully exist.

I don’t know about that but I do know that its possible Einstein was wrong. Many great thinkers have been close without getting the cigar before.