Abortion. Your thoughts?

Ath, a fetus is not home free. There are many things that can kill it that point, disease, getting the umbilicle wrapped around its neck, malnutrition ect.

And I think theres a huge diff between taking away life, and denying the right to live. Someone alive will fear death, and they will feel death. They will have tasted life, and then have it taken away.

Abortion would just be like not watering a seed. A fetus doesnt have a mind or a soul, it doesnt know what life is, so it shouldn’t miss it. It doesn’t know anything, its just an empty shell at this point.

Now I’m not saying that denying the right to live is good, but I am saying its diffrent and not as bad as murder.

I don’t think murder is a good answer for a couple’s irresponsibility. I also don’t agree that it’s the woman’s choice when a man was involved. I think if the muder is performed that it should require the written consent of both parents.

Science says that two nanometers is the smallest dimension that can support life. If this is true the size of the Zygote or embryo is irrelevant. If an organism absorbs nutrients and grows than by definition it is life.

Taken from: nasa.gov

The 1st day of conception the zygote starts to split, grow, and absorb energy. It is alive.

For my college English thesis I was asked to write a paper on abortion. I studied many diffrent stories from that time. What I found has shocked and horrified me and I’ll never agree with abortion as an alternative.

I can’t imagine going to school for decades to murder babies. How do these people choose this profession?

One thing that I can’t forget is the stories I’ve heard and read of the babies fighting back. Their arms actually grab the instruments to stop them. In one case a parent was tramatized when the doctor said something like “quit wiggling you little bugger” and so she later sued.

Do you know how they get around babies fighting back. They break the limbs off first, first the two arms, and then the two legs. Then they insert the vacum to suck away the parts.

Some botch abortion babies live through this with missing limbs.

One lady was taken to a room after the procedure and found her baby’s parts in a bucket. She also sued for medical mishap because one of the medical workers put the remains in that room by mistake.

A girl from my old neigborhood had 6 abortions!!! her little sister had 2!!! I don’t have any ill feelings towards these people and I love them the same, but legal abortions will be abused for all the wrong reasons. If it must be legal it should at least have limits and restrictions. Abortions are passed around to any and everybody with no questions asked. It really shouldn’t be so easy when 1: it’s murder, and 2: it’s potentially deadly.

If you people are really interested in abortions read about how the procedures are performed. The opinions we share here are pointless until you get an idea of what’s actually being done.

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Jeff

Ouch, that’s a scary news. Thanks for the information. That is wow… eye-opener for me. Limbs cut off, etc.

It’s not always irresponsibility, many unwanted pregnancies involved protection failing, Rape etc. And what if it was concieved in rape? Do we ask the rapist whether he gives permission for the child to be aborted no matter what?

The problem with abortion is that no one will ever agree on when it is acceptible and when it is not. Rules and regulation are needed but there will always be people who think its murder and will not agree with it.

If this is the case then things like the ‘3day after pill’ is actually abortion not a form of contraception. But i’d be surprised if people started mobbing places about that.

You’re missing the point. Again.

Ok, imagine this. What if I came into your room, while you were sleeping, and secretly gave you something that would ensure you died before you woke. You don’t feel scared, you don’t feel pain, and you are completely oblivious that your life is about to end. So, by your logic, that’s not murder because you didn’t know about it?

It doesn’t matter whether a person or fetus is aware of what’s happening. Whether it’s already lived 16 years, or only a few weeks. The point is, from the moment of intervention, you’re denying that person what future they may or may not have naturally had. You might have died tomorrow even without my assistance - but you may not have. So, just because you already lived a few years, developed a personality (etc), why exactly is it worse for that to be taken away from you, then for the fetus to be denied the chance to develop one of it’s own?

It’s not a complicated issue from that perspective. A person developing is still a person. Hell, you’re still developing now.

I’d actually like to hear the thoughts on this from someone who believes that everything is predestined and we are merely following so cosmic script.

Insane_goth wrote
If this is the case then things like the ‘3day after pill’ is actually abortion not a form of contraception.
I did say that I saw the “morning after pill” as a form of early abortion in a previous post.

That would be Atheist!

Actually RU486 and similar “morning after pills” have been covered in the same controversy. Anti-abortionist protest are against these as well.

Pregnancy caused by incest or rape are very misfortunate. However, two wrongs do NOT make a right.

There has been a movement of woman that have had abortions after rape or incest. These woman are out to help other woman in the same situation and to change their mind about abortions. Some of the woman say they started to have pity for the life forming inside them. They claim they bonded with the child because it was struggling to survive just like they were after the rape.

Incest is usually rape, and so abortions performed in this situation are done to “cover up” and remove evidence. The stories I’ve read of incest abortions include the father and the daughter, and the father forcing the daughter to have an abortion. One abortion doctor claimed that 3 sisters came to him for serveral abortions. He was never suspicious that it was the father that were impregnating them, and forcing them to have abortions. Why is it a good thing to cover the crime of rape and incest? Abortion IS being used to cover the tracks of incest sexual predators!

From the outside it looks like a good thing that rape and incest victims can ‘erase’ the product of that crime. However, the people that actually live through this must endure two crimes and live with the thought of murdering the life within them. Is that really helping?

Do abortion clinics ever try to help or counsel, or just make money? Ask anyone that has had an abortion about the counseling they recieved AFTER the abortion. There is none. It’s all a sale’s pitch to sale abortion. They never give the ladies an alternative, and they desensitize the ladies to their child by calling it “product of conception” or “lump of tissue.”

The point is that they lie. Ask them if it hurts and they claim “mild discomfort” when it’s actually excruciating and needs pain pills to take home. Ask them if it’s a baby and see how they answer. It’s all lies to make money.

What has happened to our sense of shame? Is it shameful to raise a child fathered by your father, or is it more shameful to murder your child to present an illusion of “being normal.”

I wouldn’t say abortion clinics are out to make money, there are many other positions that a doctor could take to make a living and they wouldn’t get threats either.
If they do not believe the ‘product of conception’ is a baby then they won’t call it that. The thing is that people have different views of when or if it is ok to ‘kill’ the ‘product of conception’ and to me it is only a question of morals. Whatever you believe you believe and you do what you can to uphold those morals.

Insane Goth i sort of believe in the predetermined thing, up to a point, and i have the view that if it happens it happens, can’t change the past (yet), but i am sure there are other people with a different view even though they think everythings predetermined.

Wow this topic came up last week i think…weird coincidence…Here’s what i think:

Women who got raped or simply didnt want to have a kid should NOT kill that living being. If they were raped, i realize they probably dont want the baby, but tehy should not just kill it without giving it a chance to LIvE! If thw woman just didnt WanT the baby, they should not kill it because of their mistake of having it in the 1st place! The baby should not deserve to get killed because the woman they would so call ‘mother’ had sex w/ a guy and hoped no1 would get affected by taht.

I would rather give up my baby than kill it without giving it a chnace to live.

All in all i dont think ANy female should get an abortion because they would Not give that poor living being a chance at LIFe…who would be able to live w/ That dessision 4 the rest of their life? I 4 one would not be able to.

Pray 4 the ones who were never given a chance at liFe…something we ALL take 4 granted.

I believe that abortion shouldn’t happen. As Atheist and Kat said it is simply killing the baby before it has a chance to do anything. And just because it hasn’t been born doesn;t mean it’s not yet alive.

I think most of us here belive that we make our own path in life.

Im pro-life, and Ive typed lots of school essays on why Im pro-life on my computer. This isnt the only message board I go to, I go to lots of other MB about politics and we debate about this issue all the time. First off, I really DO believe life begins at conception. The reason Im pro-life is because I simply think, if you chose to have sex when youre not capable of handling a baby and you DO get pregnant, shutting off that life is incredibly selfish and wrong. I also think adoption centers will gladly take up unwanted babys, and then sexually defunct couples will happily adopt your unwanted baby.

I also feel pro-choice people’s belief that legalizing abortion brings people there freedom is really weak. What’s brings more freedom, the right to make a small choice, or allowing your unwanted baby the chance to live a life? Im gonna go with the babys life, considering thats a lifetime of freedom instead of making a quick decision.

Now thats my belief. But hey, lets not let our opposing opinions beat our friendships alright? On my political message boards we all hate each other and I want atleast one board where all the people I talk to are nice, instead of uptight pricks. Debating can cause major conflicts lol.

Exactly one day after i had posted this post i saw a show thing on tv that had to do w/ exctly ThiS issue. Here is what it was about:

A woman had just gotten pregnant and unfortunately at the same time her boyfriend found out he had a deadly dicease/cancer. The doctor told the woman that the baby had a 50% chance of being born w/ taht deadly dicease. The boyfriend actually asked the woman to break up w/ him AND have an abortion. After much deliberation, the woman decided to “terminate the pregnancy”

…WaS This the right thing to do? What would u have done?..

On My part i think the woman should have kept the baby. There STILl was a 50% chance that the baby would NOT get the dicease. All she would be able to do is hope and pray that the baby would not get it, but that can always turn the other way. …BUT…what if it did get it? It would be Too late to do anything about it. The baby would suffer throughout life and so would the mother(the father would already be gone). Of course there have been some ppl to have lived through cancer, but im not sure ppl BoRn w/ it can.

So all in all…what WouLd be the right thing to do if this happened to U, family of friennds?

Ok, I came in late so didn’t read the whole thread…so sorry for repeating anything.

I think abortion should be legal, and I wish the US would force aborts on some people. But I won’t go into that.

But what really gets me is this…

If a woman wants to have an abortion, but the guy wants to keep the baby, MOST of the time she can/will have an abortion. Now I know the guy can take her to the court and fight it for various reasons (in the US). But most of the time he has little say on what happens to HIS child.

BUT if the guy wants HIS baby aborted and the girl doesn’t, he has no say whatso ever. And when the baby is born he will be FORCED to pay child support!

I cAn see how this is definitelly unfair to the guy christopher, taht he has no ‘say’ but this is only because its the WomAn that carries the thing, she messes up her body and she has to go through so many things while pregnant. She is the one that has given life to the kid, so did the man but he only helped with his ‘tadpoles’, she helped w/ her whole body. Its different if she wants it and the guy does not.

Whereas i suppose the individual may, at some ponit in the eternal future, have to answer to a higher power (ok, does that sound politically correct enough? everybody knows I’m christian in the traditional sense. LOL) Anyway, I look at it like this… if evolution is true, then I’m PRO-abortion. For that matter I’m also against any kind of aid to the poor or sick, and I’m PRO-AIDS.

Why? Because in at least 90% of cases, people who have abortions are irresponsible, less evolved people with a lack of self-control, or at least responsibility. They shouldn’t even be ALLOWED to have children. People who are sick or poor are no different from a sick or weak animal in a herd that should be eaten by the first hungry predator to come along, and thereby strengthening the herd by limiting the introduction of bad genes into the population.

Why should a society that believes in the merits of evolution give a flying **** about whether a bunch of backward, third-world, inbred, socially irresponsible people die of AIDS? They should all simply be quarantined - or shot on the spot to prevent the accidental spread of AIDS to a productive, useful member of society.

Likewise, all OLD people should be shot once they cannot work anymore. Well… maybe we should let them off with a huge overdose of opiates… less painful.

In closing, all people who are not young enough, willing, able, and responsible enough to contribute to a thriving society are not worth wasting resources on. END welfare. PROMOTE abortion. KILL aids patients. That about sums it up.

We should all have the right to live in a free, prosperous society without having to deal with the disgusting human debris that has no interest in coexisting and contributing.

Oh, and while I’m at it… the Muslims and Jews maintain very inconvenient religions that are destructive to world peace. They should be nuked or something.

(This has been a tongue-in-cheek post. Please be aware that it runs counter to my actual views.)

The flames shall now commence.

Sarcasm?
Or were you serious?

I really hope you are joking Davion… You are a very sick person, if this was not an attempt at sarcasm