So, how do I damage my brain to see the dots? I noticed uting pressure on my eyes I can see dots.
“So, how do I damage my brain to see the dots?” LOL actually i was wondering same thing…i wish i had something there when i fall asleep as its usually boring experience.
Not really sure if I can see them, I’ll describe what I can:
Ok if I’m going to sleep with my eyes open for some reason, even if a have a digital clock giving off a little light it will all dissapear. First I notice this black/purple stuff kind of closing in from the outside of my vision and eventually getting to the center and covering all my vision. At this point I think I begin to see tunnel like shapes (like when you sqeeze your eyes and see the patterns, when I take my hands off my eyes but keep my eyes closed, at this point I see a “high-lighter” color yellow tunnel or cave. Eventually the black center of the expands and the yellow goes away). I think I then begin to see shapes (I dont rightly remember, havent done it in a while) but it never occured to me to try to change them. Is this what you guys are experiancing? In not how would I induce what you’re seeing?
in total darkness I get purple or indigo expanding outwards, then fading, or the same color becoming smaller. does sound like a good way to induce trance or WILD, will experiment further with it.
Usually you cna see the dots by scurnching your eyes really tight and then they start to appear, and as you get focusedon them your eyes relax but you cna still see the dots
Am i weird, but I see circles on a black background? Arranged in groups and mainly coloured red or green. The centre of the circles are black, sometimes I even get circles in the circles. The person who called them tunnels…is this the type of thing you meant?
Actually, these dots are what are commonly referred to as “astral bubbles.” As one becomes more adept at lucid dreaming, the brain is slowly regenerated to its uruic state, the state of the Masters. Astral receptors are activated as the brain waves become slower and we are able to “tune in” to the telepathic frequencies that filter through the Void from the parallel dream plane. A more advanced soul experiences the entire astral world upon closing the eyes, but a beginner will only be able to see random, fuzzy bubbles that appear in the ether.
Yes, I am making this up as I go along. 
well,i see those dots (even when its dark and i have my eyes open)but can’t realy contrl them,…
I just recentley learned about lucid dreaming and such, but i recollect being in control of my dreams when i was a lot younger(about 9 years old). I have seen red dots when i am sleepy or it is dark throughout my whole life… it seems i can change the quanity of them but now the color. Is this what you guys are talking about? and if so how can i induce a lucid dream by seeing these dots?
Just keep focusing on the dots as you fal asleep and eventually they will turn into a dream scene then enter it. Basically works the same as the hypnogogic version of WILD.
first of all… Lucidity_Master … very nice signature 
second … sage… you bastard… lol …, had me all excited… 
But…What if you closed your eyes, and what if when you closed your eyes you saw those dots, and what if those dots formed a picture of a strange land that you’ve never been to before, and what if when you opened your eyes, you were still in that strange land? Ah, what then?
I think the technical term for dots of light you see in the dark – or when you press your eyelids – is “phosphenes.”
I don’t know about you guys, but often when I just wake up I see patterns in my field of vision that look like phosphenes.
I can’t recall ever seeing balls, but I always see fluorescent streaks zip by, like lines, daylight or nighttime. I cant control them
I was very relieved to read this line at the end… 
I get whiteish-coloured shapes and lines when I close my eyes. They start off just zipping by and then some of them start to form more recognisable shapes (or I try to work out things they could be - like faces - in a similar way to what some people do with cloud shapes I guess). Then I start getting occasional, very brief flashes of places or things (ie totally realistic pictures rather than vague shape-formations). I tried controlling this last night - trying to choose what images I wanted - and managed to see clearly a landscape I’d chosen (the coast along the Great Ocean Road in Victoria, Australia). I actually managed to maintain it very clearly visually for a few seconds at a time (while I was still awake). Does anyone else get this? I guess I must be starting the process of falling asleep when this happens but I am still awake and totally aware that I’m lying in bed - and I’m just seeing these places rather than being physically in them like you are in a lucid dream.
I’m pretty sure these are like micro organisms or like dust/debris in your eyes. I get this exspecially when looking into the sky through a window. My uncle is a eye docter so I’ll ask him next time I see him 
I can kinda control them but only like if I look up really fast they all seem to go up, same with all directions, this is another thing that leads me to beleive they are accually ON your eye…
I only see purple and green dots as well. It’s kinda like looking at a multi-colored lava lamp. 
I’ve noticed these since I was really really young! If I look hard I can see them everywehre, but they are best in the dark or looking @ a white wall 
I’ll try this, I need some help with WILD
[color=green]That is very interesting indeed. I wish I could do that…maybe I can .Only time will tell I guess.[/color]
Did somebody mention pressure on the eyes?I never get tunnels when I put pressure on my shut eyes, but i see emerging white clouds, a very strange shade of white, the clouds keep appearing and overlapping each other.
Maybe I might try sleeping flat with my eyes lightly pressing against a pillow or something, these clouds really caught my attention every time!