A question for Pedro/Gods and dreams

R3m0t correctly proved to me that it is impossible to “see” something in 4D… BUT WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT REAL LIFE FOR GOD’S SAKE! IT’S MY DREAM WORLD! I can do ANYTHING in it!

As for time…yes it is another dimension so why can’t we control it and or “see” it in dreams…coz really we don’t handle any other dimensions such as the 3rd one either…its all fake and made up in your head. So if I tried to control time I probably could…but it would be a trick and I wouldn’t really be controlling it.

Calm it Pedro. I just doubt that a mind can really create a 4D dreamscape. It isn’t just about transforming your vision. Good luck trying though, will be interested how it goes! :cool:

I apologise.

:smile:

And when you get more experience LDing then you can experiment with yourself! Sure that would be interesting! Anyway, I’m gonna stop playing with 4D now coz its a lot of hassle to think about considering it aint very fun or constructive for my life…I’ll stick with writing dream music and amusing my DC’s lol.

I think my total conviction that managing 4D is impossible may hinder me there… and by the way, amusing a DC isn’t good practice for a sense of humour in the real world. :eh:

um. why not?

surely lucid dreaming makes it much easier to have an objective/reflective view on reality, which would help develop a sense of humor…

but then again, i could be wrong.

just seemed like a completely unneccesary jab at pedro to me.

thats just my thought. again, i could be wrong, and i acknowledge that fact.

dont be so quick to look for faults in others, as it diminishes your ability to reflect objectively on your own actions.

I meant that your desire to have them laugh could make them laugh at bad jokes. OK, I’ll stop nitpicking so much, I know what you mean :content:

i see what you mean about expecting them to laugh-

but pedro may not have been talking about jokes, he may have been talking about doing tricks or powers or sumthen, i dunno

the funniest reaction i’ve seen from a dc was in my second lucid dream, when i decided to jump of a ledge.

right before i hit the ground, i saw the expression on a nearby dc’s face, which was incredibly shocked :eek:

it was pretty funny

LOL yeah the DC’s in my dreams are always really funny and always do stupid things lol. I like 'em!

Yeah you are correct! I was really meaning impress them rather than amuse them. I wasn’t really talking bout jokes…was talking about creating things and going invisible and tripping people up lol.

That definately sounds like fun. Number one priority for my next lucid dream, I’ll remind myself every reality check :wink:.

Oh and by the way Pedro, on your timeline you mentioned doing an RC every few minutes - I did that the day before my dream and I did dream recall MILD that night! Thank a lot!

As far as 4d in a dream, read the dream in the “Mental Modeling” section of Chapter 9 (on page 212 of my paperback copy) in EWLD

quote–> A proper 4D dreamscape has 4D + time. You would be able to “see” 4D objects like hypercubes, hyperspheres etc.

Can you like explain/say that so normal people can understand it, actually so stupid people can understand it. lol.
I want 4D vision or sonar or wutnot. That’s so neat.

Isn’t the 4th dimension the demension of time?

Thats what I thought…?
Heres an interesting site (read the fred and bob ones):https://tetraspace.alkaline.org/
Well, we accually see 2d. So Pedro is accually speaking of 3d vision, not 4, in which he could properally imagine a hypercube. And we do see only 2d because think of it, what we see it just like a series of pictures. Pictures are only 2 d. Draw a picture of a cube for example. That is basically exactly what we see, and its only 2d… Anyone not understand?

I’ve got an example:

Imagine planar color=red WORLD[/color]. People living on this world would have 1D VISION (they’d see a horizontal line), so they can see a shape (a square for example) only from one “side”.
There is an excellent novel “Flatland” by E.A.Abbott about 2D world.

We live in 3D WORLD and have 2D VISION (approximately a circle). We see 2D World objects, like square, from all “sides”. We can also see their interior.

Okay, we see in depth, but only because we have two eyes and see two 2D images at the time. It’s not very important.

Now to see 4D WORLD you need to have 3D VISION (a sphere). Your field of vision is now a sphere and you are aware of everything inside that sphere. I mean, you can for example look at 3D objects “from above”, like we look at 2D World, and you can see the object from all sides, and see its interior.

In addition, we have another dimension of time (so the 4D World is 4D+time), but it’s not important.

I checked this whole 4d/time thing out, and found this on https://tetraspace.alkaline.org/time.htm:

"There is a raging debate going on (and probably will go on forever) about whether the fourth dimension is time, or whether it is a 4th spatial dimension. It is not the point of this site to claim that the fourth dimension is spatial instead of being time. The point of this site is to speculate about what a fourth spatial dimension would be like, beyond our three spatial dimensions. "

It has always been my understanding that the 4th dimension is time.

:eek: There is the same number of stars in the universe as there is neurons in your brain? That is MESSED UP!

Where’d you learn that…? I dont think people have yet to count all the stars and I’m guessing nurons would vary a little bit from person to person…

Prove it.

I mean, can anyone really objectively prove this? Maybe I am being totally stupid here, but isn’t there always a “what if” a “reasonable doubt” of sorts?

It feels better to say we are in total control of it, and that is all within our own minds, but how do we really know for sure? Is all that we are only contained within this brain matter? I don’t think so, not based on my experiences. We are more than just our own consciousness/subconcious. And if we are more than that, and our consciousness is part of a larger collective, then aren’t we somehow touching eachother’s consciousnesses in some way? Or are we all drawing from the same source, yet applying our own filter? Could this sub atomic quantum energy mass that makes up who we are, mix and mingle with others (non-locally)? What then?

Keep an eye out for a DC to come up to you and say, “Hey…you are not alone in here.”

That’ll be me. :grin:

wrangler has a point about the objective proof thing-

there is no way to truly know for sure

It isn’t so hard to prove that they aren’t real humans. They hardly do anything often enough, they don’t give addresses or postcodes if you ask them, etc. Have you ever had a dream similar to one from another DCs perspective? Don’t you get your family and friends in dreams? Would the same dream really make sense to somebody else?