I had a suprisingly realistic DBZ style dream not too long ago. I won’t go into detail about it but I will say that I encountered a dream character that presented itself as my rival. Despite my ability to control my dreams he was an even match for me. After out battle(which was a stale mate) I asked him who he was. Ironically he said"I don’t have to answer that. You can’t control me like the rest. I’ll beat you!" I started trippin and woke up after that.
Anyone have any feed back?you watch alot of DBZ,dont you?
Yeah… too much… lol
ouch 
hey c’mon guys that hurts
heh,just kidding.I think your inner self is trying to fight back for controling your dreams.I dont know,thats what I think.
If it is possible… maybe he is jealous of himself? Zaerus, find yourself in a dream (not your true self, just your ego, a representation of yourself) and ask yourself what it wants to do in the LD. I wonder what will happen?
Well, actually kmcdonald, when I dream I dream as Zaerus, not who I really am. Zaerus is what my avatar looks like.I drew it last year and will soon get a better model of it up. So I always DO dream as my ego, Zaerus. My dreamscape is much more complicated to be explained in one thread. So, any one else out there brave enough to express their opinions?
Then in that case Zaerus go find your ego from IRL in your dream and ask it what it wants to do in the LD.
although i don’t watch dragon ball z, to me it would seem to be a great premise to try out some of the more supernatural abilities you’d want to try.
since dbz is animated do you dream it as being a cartoon or is the environment realistic. either way it sounds interesting.
Zaerus is my ego IRL, but in an LD I am my own ego, not Zaerus. So this is why I’m confused. I thought I confronted myself a looooong time ago. Am I the only one who has had this happen to him/her? This is buggin me.Kmcdonald, Why don’t you try this?
I am not using the term “ego” as in the popular sense “He has a big ego.” (pride/self-esteem), but rather it the sense of an ego being a Freudian awarness of self as opposed to others. That is, unless you see yourself in real life as Zaerus, (that is, you move your arms similarly, act as if you have the same muscles, watch that your head doesn’t hit things behind you, etc) in which case you need help, your ego is your body-image. Or as they called it in the Matrix (which I see many of you here are fond of) a residual self image.
So when I say meet yourself, I am not telling you to meet your true self, but rather your subconcious desires (id) in the form of your ego where they are normally manifested.
I want to remind you I don’t believe in Freudian theory, but it’s terminology is useful in categorizing certain aspects of the mind.
This topic has got me curious. I had a dream last night which I recalled as I was waking up. In the dream there was a man in his 40s/50s arguing with a young girl about whether or not I should go lucid. The man seemed to have a much stronger character and was arguing against me going lucid.
Very weird - I didn’t end up with a lucid dream, though.
Kmcdonald, I knew you meant the other ego, not the popular one. But like I said, Zaerus is how I perceive my self in alter reality. I 've also cloned myself and tried that too. Sleepy head… the old dude might be a projection of yourself, maybe, or a failsafe of your subconcious. I don’t know, but these are my opinions.
Hah I’d love to summon someone who was outside of my control in the dream! Although I’m not into the kooky side of lucid dreaming ( to anyone that is) I think in my next one I’m going to try to summon my “Spirit Guide”
Hopefully we’ll end up having a DBZ style fight too.
In my posts, all references to DBZ are used only because of its popularity and most people can relate to it. In my LDs, there are all much more realistic than DBZ. I’m not complaining, just clarifying. By the way, I beat my rival last night 
I was talking to my friend about lucid dreams, he said when he was younger he had a nightmare where his mother ‘turned’ psycho and tried to kill him, her eyes turned red. my friend said he was lucid and he was scared, so he tried to wake up, then his mother laughed and said something on the lines of haha you cant wake up, then I think he woke up into the same dream when he tried, and then he tried again and it went like ‘fump fump fump fump’ he woke up many times.
I cant remember if he then completely woke up…
So if there is a character you cant control, its your unconcious mind trying to keep in control?
That’s a good assuption, why don’t you dwell into it more so eh? Also, have you ever had such an experiance?
Perhaps we all have part of our subconscious that is ‘programmed’ to try and stop us from lucid dreaming for some reason, hence why it is hard to accomplish.
In some ways it would be good to have another person with an ‘independent’ mind in your LDs. If they were good then you can get them to tap into your subconscious and work out things you wouldn’t know normally etc. If they were bad, like your rival, then you’ve got to try and beat them. Bit like the ‘big baddy’ or dream land 
There could be more of these characters that you don’t control, hiding somewhere in your dream world. If this was true for me, I’d like to go and meet them all.
The two people arguing could have been from your subconscious justifying LDing. Perhaps deep down you might think that you shouldn’t LD, so you can let your subconscious make the dream up for you and give you messages or something. Only a possibility. I’m not really sure. Could also be the part of the subconcious I described earlier just trying to stop you again.
-LAJ
Realy interresting topic, And here is my 2 cents of worth:
I ve had some few characters in my ld that i cant control, Beside a image of myself that was comlpaining on me it havent been much that i couldnt handle. (Talking to an image of one self is kinda… hmm… hard to not flip out).
But he was talking about the essense about getting along with your subcunsiosness, (btw “he” helped me to get some of the best sex in a LD i ever had… sigh(This maby sounds odd, but it was so it was)(The worst part is that i laughed at him at first)) So i could achive bettre lucid dreaming. Of course this is my normal stand point, so it was nothing new.
But this could be a helper of my uncunsiosness that just told me what it wanted.
It could allso be somekind of embodyment within my dream from my “labido”. It could be lots of things.
But i think that the first dude, Dont remember his name, had a experience much like mine. Somekind of thought or idea that you or your subcunsiosness have just came to live within your dream. Due to ive experienced that you must be midfull of your thought in a LD due to every thought can change the dream and dreamscape tottaly…
I think what kmcdonald was trying to say is that u should confront ur IRL self, not ur IRL ego. U as Zearous (sp?) should confront the other u as what u see in the mirror IRL