hey, the first sentence of my last post isn’t from me, i just wanted to reply to it!
No matter for what reasons… the USA and England are breaking international laws, without being in direct danger.
They just can´t do that!
Unfortunately I got to correct myself: They just shouldn´t be able to do that!
Traumgänger
P.S: I hope those of you who agree will spend some time on telling the world what they think, and go to one of the many demonstration that will start after the war starts
P.P.S: Tapirs seem to be smarter than humans
I’m very sad to see such blatant and stupid comments postet. I can’t believe that the UN is a “impotent organization full of self-important dictators and socialists.”
Just THINK for a minute…
Saddam hussein HAS to disarm. There is absolutly NO discussion needed. There is Resolution 1441 that regulates the disarment of the Iraq.
You said that the french did not show any willingness to fulfill Resolution 1441. You’re wrong…or…do you think the UN inspectors did nothing to get hussein to disarm?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the un inspectors found a bunch of al-samud missiles and the iraqi government began to destroy them. Don’t you call that disarment?
Don’t you think that this was a good start?
i think there is no real reason for a war against iraq! there is no real danger coming from saddam hussein! it’s all just US propaganda!! all they really want is oil,oil,oil!!! there are other countries with more dangerous weapons than iraq, but they do nothing there! why? because ther’s no oil!!
by the way, what about the weapons the USA have???
David, you are so, so wrong. We are not invading Iraq for oil, and we will not take the oil. The oil belongs to the Iraqis, and we will give the oil to the people. They will use these profits from the oil for themselves, giving themselves food and shelter, not allowing an evil dictator to spend it on weapons that threaten the world. THIS IS NOT ABOUT OIL. How would the US steal oil? THEY WONT. That is crazy. And yes, there is a real danger. They are the only country, the ONLY one that has been tolerated for their disobidiance and threats. They have not disarmed, so we must do that for them. 12 long years, and thats more than enough. We will be liberating Iraq, not bombing it. We will give freedom to the people, and stop their torture. The iraqis WANT A WAR TO RID OF SADAm. You say, why dont we wage war on other “more dangerous countries”. Well Iraq, if we don’t act, will become one of those countries, with nuclear weapons and who knows what. What will we do then? Havn’t we learned anything from the past, Germany huh huh!? (BTW, france was the same back then like their attitude to iraq, saying germany isn’t that bad, lets let them build up, and who was wrong?) What about the weapons the US has? The US is a free, peaceful, nation, who uses weapons only to protect freedom and ensure peace. America, time and time again, has liberated countries, and ended facsism and communism. Why do you acuse the US of only wanting oil? I really dont understand your logic… The united states is rich enough, we dont need more oil, and hey, theres always ANWR.
Why then Korea isnt being invaded?
If we want peace all over the world why we dont take over china to free tibet?
And btw…whos been supporting all alkaidas and the rest?It would be easier to point those who actually werent:(
If this war is for humanitary sake…why ,why and why someones spending milions of dollars and taking just on iraq?
You`re right-oil isnt the only reason.War means business in many ways…who will profit when they will start rebuilding it?If it was some african republic noone would move his finger cuz there ppl just dont have a cent to spend after.Iraq has rich neighbours.
And additionally…cant wait till it comes to choosing goverment in Iraq.And who will have anything to say about it?Noone.This region is way too precious to be controlled.
And again…if it is about getting rid of Saddam…what is Cia and the rest for?I just cant imagine how bombs are better than silent and secret action.
And like it was said above…the disarming was in process:(
Ben, I’m afraid the americans did not learn from the past…at least not the republicans. No offense taken, but you’re beeing brainwashed, by the media and your gouvernment. It’s ridicioulus to believe bush would only use his military power to spread democracy, liberty and peace…
Look at your past. Why did you join WW1? Because you gave your allies a lot of money to finance the war. Unfortunatly, the war went really bad for your allies so you had to react in order to get your money back.
It’s all about money. Realize it.
As an american , who was born and raised in the United States, I am very worried about the terrorist backlash which could result from this war. Many of us are deeply saddened by the innocent Iraqi and americans who will lose their lives . My heart goes out to the children of Iraq, and so many innocent people who will be hurt. My biggest fear is “which country is next on the hit list.” Will it be Iran, North Korea, Syria, Saudi Arabia Indonesia, etc, etc,. Where will it end? Many of us believe that it is the conservative republicans who will eventually destroy our country. May God have mercy on us all.
Lots of reasons for the war are being thrown around. Something led me to believe the reason for the war is that we don’t want to get nuked by some terrorist organization that purchased their nuclear weapons from Iraq. But I guess I’ve just been brainwashed by imperialistic, capatalist, American propaganda.
i guess there was more risk about nuking from Korea than Iraq actually.Still is unfortunately.
But i think the final question is…does this war make Usa and the world safer place?
I don’t think North Korea is as threatening as they appear. Their leader is just very afraid that North Korea is next after Iraq. He really doesn’t want to go to war, he’s just very confrontational and afraid. Diplomacy is still a solution that could effectively work in North Korea opposed to Iraq.
I think once Iraq is disarmed, the world will be safer. Although their may be a higher likeliness of terrorist attacks during and after the war, none of them will compare to a nuclear attack. I, personally, would feel much safer with a war going on with Iraq than I would knowing Iraq had nucelar weapons at their disposal with very little being done to take them away.
I think the threat of Iraq is exaggurated. If Iraq is thought to be big enough a threat to launch a pre-emptive strike - a highly questionable notion that’s generally considered unacceptable - against it, it would serve as an excuse to attack a whole lot of countries. Iraq surely isn’t that dangerous anymore after the first weapons inspections that resulted in destruction of a massive amount of weapons. And in the light of current information there is no reason whatsoever to be afraid of nuclear weapons coming from Iraq. As the inspectors have clearly stated, the nuclear programme that used to exist hasn’t been revived in any way, on any level or in any extent. What comes to North Korea, we know they already have nuclear weapons.
Now a little about the reasons for this war. There seems to be one big reason that isn’t often discussed in the public debate. Jennifer Kibbe of the highly prestigious Brookings institute in Washington has said that Bush’s administration very simply just wants to show their power to the world. This is because the PNAC (Project for New American Century) has a great influence on the Bush’s administration. For example Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz are members of PNAC. PNAC already tried to to get Clinton to attack Iraq but failed. Perhaps the world should know that the main goal of PNAC is to demonstrate America’s leadership in the world. This actually sounds a bit like imperialistic nationalism.
To quote the organisation:
“We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.”
"We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration’s success: […] a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad[.]
Now this is just plain wrong.
Of course, this is not all Iraq is about but it is good to remember that these ideals play a great part in the US politics.
Robin Cook’s speech:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2859431.stm
I wonder why this threat is suddenly now so big issue and in need of rushing without proper evidence? Maybe something to do with that huge patriotism peak in USA right now? Bush and his administry is trying to take all advantage out of this hysteria and fear on terrorism. And seems like part of american media is just feeding this fear more.
And now that USA dont even need any international agreement to support action what is going to happen next? Bush and his goonies are becoming Judge, Jury and the Executioner. They could just declare few other arabic countries part of axis of evil(binary thinking anyone?) and disarm them too just like that. All this happening in name of democracy and freedom that are starting to seem like good execuses to wage war with image of high morals when you can at the same time fullfill hidden agendas and greedy motives too.
And Paul, there is no evidence at all that Iraq has any heavy long range
weapons of mass destruction and especially not any nuclear weapons. Though they might still have Anthrax bought from US in the 80s to used against people of Iran.
Why isnt USA so intrested about 3rd world country people’s right to have food, now there are people starving, how come their freedom to live isnt that important? Their most precious natural resources are bananas and coffee and they dont live in geopolitically important area i guess. And we need them to stay poor so we can live this luxurious western materialist way of life that depends on very cheap 3rd world work labour and resources.
Anyways what we need is…
Peace Peace Peace
@Paul
Experts say, that it’S nearly impossible for iraq to develope atom bombs. It’s not that easy to come up with a bombs as you may think… There is also NO proof that Saddam Hussein is in contact with Terrorists…
You can’t judge someone without any evidence…this war is crime
About beeing brainwashed: It was’nt my aim to insult you. Just wanted to let you know…
Hi Ben
At this time, in germany (where I come from) there is quite an “anti-USA” atmosphere.At the same time, most germans agree that prejudices are dangerous, and that they don´t “dislike” the USA in general, or the humans of who live there.
Discussing such topics really isn´t an easy thing.
Anyway, since it is important to understand each other point of views (especially those you don´t agree with) I´ll just go on, and hope that I don´t sound agressive or something.
Disobidiance? Disobidiance towards who?
They don´t have to follow the rules of the USA, noone has.
If you mean that they are the ONLY country that disobeys the UN, remember that the USA also does if they attack.This pre-emptive war isn´t legitimated by the UN, and therefore illegal.
I´ll pick up what ginkgothian said about being brainwashed.That isn´t only for the USA, the media plays an important role in the world.
But, fact is, any gouvernment tells it´s population that the weapons are for protection only.
You know, even Hitler told us that the weapons are there to liberate countries and end communism.
(What does ANWR mean?)
1.The rich want to get richer! (that´s almost a physikal law)
Just take a look at Bill Gates
2.The richer a country is, the more technology it has, the more it depends on oil.You haven´t got much oil, you HAVE to get it from other countries.
3.I don´t know if it´s “only for oil”.But still, it is conspicuous how often countries that are part of some US action got oil.
Look at colombia.There the US sent troops that are there to “fight a war on drugs”.They help the dicator-like president to fight against the coca-farmers.Actually they help fighting down the poor ones in general, and keep the rich ones at power.
And, as you have already guessed, the president of Colombia allows US oil companies to build up in colombia.This country is one of the top ten oil-suppliers of the USA
I know I got no evidence for this point, but since I had to talk about it in classroom I spent quite a lot time on researching (The task was to tell something about any topic you like).One of my main sources was amnesty international.
Traumgänger
only reason why Bush invades iraq is because of the OIL… The weapons of mass destruction is just an excuse to goto war… They have no proofs whatsoever. The inspectors should have been allowed to continue their work.
Why dont bush do anything with north korea?? They are a bigger threat to world peace than iraq/saddam is as of now and they threat their people like DIRT. But then again they dont have much oil 
And those israelis… drop bombs on palestinian refugee camps!!
I agree that saddam is a evil man, but this war isnt the right way… And US main aim isnt to help the iraqi ppl and make the world safer… their reason is oil, power… Even if saddam and rest of circle left, US would invade iraq and stay there for ATLEAST 8 years.
Exactly!! totally agree on that.
one more thing… The country who actually has most mass destruction weapons on the face of earth is actually US themself!! And they have used them on Japan before…
I agree with foreign minister from IRAK: Bush is the worlds biggest danger to world peace, he and his administration should leave his country.
Patriotism has peaked? I thought patriotism in America hasn’t been half of what it was during the World Wars since the 60’s.
A while back, Colin Powell made a rather lengthy presentation of all the evidence we have of Iraq having nuclear weapons and other illegal weapons. They included satellite photos, intercepted conversations, certain documents, etc. It was pretty convincing. Also, if Saddam has no illegal weapons to hide, than why didn’t he cooperate with the inspections? If he in fact had no illegal weapons than it would’ve greatly benefited him to allow the inspectors to see everything they wanted.
And about the starving countries, last I heard America was pumping billions of dollars, far more than any other country, into these famished countries to help them. It’s a pretty well-known fact that the American government donates more money to countries in need than any other country in the world. (That is not to be mistaken with the amount of donations that come from the people. I believe Spain holds that record, but that amount of money is far less.)
And something else I want to mention about civilian casualties. America has spents tons and tons of money on technology that doesn’t harm civilians. Again, this amount of money spent is unparalleled by any other country. Saddam Hussein is intentionally placing his artillery in neighborhoods, near hospitals, etc. There is also evidence that he will dress up his soldiers in American and British uniforms and have them go around killing innocent civilians to trick the Iraqi people into thinking America and Britain are actually responsible for that. Now, when it comes time to war, who will get blamed for a large amount of dead civilians? America. That’s kind of like someone insisting on going into a football game (American football) with no pads on, getting hit and injured, and then putting all the blame on the player that hit him and not any on the guy for being stupid enough to go on the field with no pads.