the big WILD topic part I

I woke up yesterday 28th at 4 pm. Now it’s 8 pm here. So I’ve been awoke for 28 hours. I’m wondering. Since I’ve been up so long will it be possible to have a WILD since I’ve been awoke so long. Someone told me that 24 hours awake is like waking up at 5 or 6 hours earlier. Is this true. I’d just like to know before I fall asleep. Also. Since I’ve been up for over 24 hours what can I do to see HH. I’d really like to see them like Hypnodude does. Speedy reply please. I don’t want to be asleep before I find out how to HH or if I can get a WILD tonight. Ive also passed my record :partying_face: I don’t even feel tired. I’d be very grateful if someone could respond before I fall asleep in a few hours.

i haven’t read the entire thread up to this point so this might seem off course.
i was sleeping one night and while im not 100% sure if this wild was in a dream or an actual wild, but i think i dreamt of having a WILD. I switched into another dream and i started as me under the effects of a WILD. as i was experiencing this i opened my eyes in a dream and moved to adjust the blinds in front of me which made me think “oh i moved, i screwed up the WILD”.
IF it was an actual WILD i think it occurred by me waking up inbetween dreams breifly and the wild occurred without my conscious intention.

Dunlar- sure it wont hurt if you try Wild before going to sleep if you have nothing else to do.But the thing is-chances of success are really weak,especially for ppl who dont get hypnagogics,who just black out on the evening.
Also-sure not only Rem is the time to dream,but it increases the chances horrendously.
And thats why we have other -Ilds ,some techs are better used on the evening,some on the morning
Its all about effectiveness.

Hey Jack. It might be easier for some people in the morning, but for me it’s easier at night. My concern is that people who are new to all this might only try it in the morning, because they’ve heard that it doesn’t work at night. They should at least try it both times to see which is easier for themselves.

I’m a very light sleeper, by the way, and it takes me up to a half hour to fall asleep normally. So maybe that’s where the difference lies… If I try WILD in the morning, I’m liable to keep myself awake for hours, and that’s no fun at all.

Wow! I had an amazing experience with WILD last night - my first proper WILD experience. I started concentrating on falling asleep, but I must have lost consciousness for some time. Then I heard some strange clicking noises and thought “What’s that?”. I realised that it had been some hypnogogic sounds.
I then felt tingling in the whole of my arms and started seeing a black dome form over my head - starting from the middle my forehead and growing rapidly. The dome was filled with sparkly lights. I felt myself lifting up into the dome, but then it was all over. Try as I might, I couldn’t get back :sad:

Is this what WILD is all about? How close was this to entering my dreams consciously? Any experienced WILDers out there? What do I need to do to ‘hang on’ to the experience? Any advice would be welcome :content:

The dome with the sparkly lights that was the dream you almost entered…
next time try to be empty or act as if u will fall a sleep…and act like you find the dome with the lights quite normal…relax…then u would have entered a dream…u activated to much your day time consciousness by being enthousiastic…and u woke up…
But still i find it impressive how u describe it…

Almost there so try again!

Grtz,
Jeff

BellaDonna,
for me the night or at midday is the best for wild…

Because there are daytime shiftings in our melatonin serum levels (melatonin is a hormone for biorhythm and sleep)and also at night i certainly think for a straight wild, some times will be better then on other times, to try it…but find out for yourself!

Jeff

Well, I haven’t got any REAL WILD yet, so I am going to post my last WILD to see if anyone has any comments on it. Unlike before, this time I tried Kaldeko’s passive approach (see the reverse psychology topic in Shortcuts). 10 mins later I was in that WILD trance. Well, I decided to open only my left eye and try to do something, because I thought it was time for it now. I was lying on the side, towards the wall (it was all what I saw, and I knew that I was seeing only my dream bedroom. I just knew that :smile: ), and then I tried to force myself to move out of bed. I did it partially several times, but every time I would find myself in the same position once again. Then I woke up. I know that this could have been a perfect WILD, so it seems like I did something wrong here. Started I for early, or was it that I forced myself to get out of bed? What do you think?

Hi lucidityx1000,

I think that if you are a little more patient you be there…
just be more patient on that last part of the road…you will know when you are in! till then do nothing…strange but true…

I do it the tibetan way…but never concentrate to much…must be on a natural attitude…Let awareness melt with breathing out…and let your consciousness float…

And Jack is right…if you dont sleep for 24 hours or longer…your brainstem will produce much more serotonin (neurotransmitter for feeling and sleep) and melatonin (biorhythm hormon) and all things that has to do with meditation, hypnosis, wild will be much easier…however…there is one rock on the path…you have to be very alert when you relax that u dont fall a sleep entirely…thats the trap…
I experimented with self hypnosis, and one of my experiments was to see if 48 hours with no sleep would help because of the extra serotonin…well it worked like a charm…selfhypnosis or trance where much easier…repeated the experiment several times…but one time my concentration wasnt that alert and i fell a sleep…damn…lol!

I wish everyone to unwrap the gift that awaits in our dreams…

Jeff

Some very interesting tips here. I hope to put them to good use. :content:

I’ve been trying to do WILD too hard and wasn’t successful, now I’m not trying enough and just drift to sleep… :neutral: Hopefully I’ll find the balance soon.

Hi sputnik…hope you find that balance soon…keep in mind that meditation experience also will help for doing a wild…could give it a try…

Luck!

Jeff

There’s lots of useful info here, thank you people.

The closest I’ve got to WILD was when I was just concentrating on my breathing and I felt like I was lifting up through a kind of dark tunnel, but I got too excited at lost my concentration. Usually I lose conciousness or try so hard that I end up staying awake til the early hours of the morning.

One thing I noticed when I was catergorizing my lucid dreams yesterday was that half of them are DILDs where something weird or impossible happens and i realise i must be dreaming and in the other half I just wake up in bed and I’m dreaming and I just know it from the start, I guess those are closer to WILDs.

Belladonna x x x

This is a false awakening, or FA. Just wanted to let you know :smile: I’ve experienced it a few times, too.

KDWolf77…
when your heartbeat is to high you are most certainly not breathing right!
When you breathe in let the air go to the lower part of your stomach…as low as you can go…put your hands on your stomach so each time you breathe out you feel with your hands the relaxation of your body and especially in your stomach/belly…this is the most easiest way to start…So pay attention to the breathing out…because this is directly connected to relaxation of you and your body and your heart beat…
Of course try this while laying on your back…
When you focus on your heart and your not experienced you can also easely pump up the adrenaline…and never come to a higher level…
The heart is in direct contact with adrenaline and visa versa…

There are also some accu puncture points on the body that will lower your heartbeat…but i think in this case it would not be right to tell them ppl always want to do the lazy way and it wont work that way…

When you have mastered your hearbeat…you will be able to go further on the path of wild.
Better steady but slow then as a rocket and with a big bang and an quick ending…

Good luck!

Jeff

Girls!!!Please note his last words:)

Jack what must girls think of me that iam a kind of rocket laucher…lol!

All the girls that willl react i will send to you with my regards ok?!

Lol

By Jack!

Jeff

What exactly isa the vibrations felt during WILD? I and everyone else who i have talked to about WILD experiences them, but what is it? i mean i can understand hallucinations when parts of your brain is falling assleep but why do you get a feling of being paralysed and painless electricity passing through your body?

My best guess is that the vibrations are a real signal, passed from the brain to all parts of the body, saying that it’s time to shut down. Or maybe it’s some sort of spiritual healing mechanism for the body… Or maybe it’s the sensation of the nervous system trying to switch the sense of “touch” from the physical body to the dreambody, and then getting thrown back to the real body when it sees that you’re still awake… Or maybe it’s the actual sensation of the dreambody leaving the physical body for a moment… Or maybe it’s the vibrational frequency of our dimension, and other dimensions have other frequencies… Or maybe…

I don’t think you’ll find the answer here, but the more guesses we can come up with, the better. I once heard someone say that he touched the hands of a meditating monk, and got an electric shock through his body… But that’s just something I heard once upon a time, and I don’t know if it’s true or not… No reason to doubt it though. It’d be interesting to see if anybody’s actually recorded the vibrations on an EEG or other measuring device…

  1. Being paralysed is not just a feeling, it is reality. To be able to enter dream status the brain has to sever the link between sensory stimulus and the muscles to prevent motor responses - otherwise we would act out what we are dreaming in real life (eg. people that sleepwalk have a disorder whereby the brain fails to do this).

  2. I often have real difficulty getting to sleep, but over time i’ve trained myself to do so out of necessity. This is the technique i use, and have been using for months - unbelievably, long before I knew anything about LD’s. I have never actually had an LD, but since my technique is clearly directly parallelled with WILD, i thought it might help someone.

First i lay completetely still, clear all thoughts from my head and concentrate on the sound of my breathing until it becomes the focus of my entire consciousness. Then i imagine that i am looking inside my head into a black void, and imagine that i hear sounds in it, over the top of my breathing. The sounds can be anything, but the one that never fails for me is the sound of birds singing. Within a few seconds I no longer have to imagine it - the sounds just appear out of nowhere, i can also imagine what they look like (i know know them to be hypnogogic sounds).

Once they are carrying on by themselves with no conscious thought, I concentrate on my hands and feet, mentally ‘willing’ them to become numb. With time they do (it is important not to move even a tiny amount), and i feel paralysis setting in. I do a paralysis ‘test’ by attempting to move my fingers a tiny bit. If my actual fingers move, the test has failed, and I have to start again.

If the test is positive, then I will realise that i cannot move them and in fact have lost all sensory communication with the environment (ie. the bed). Difficult to explain but i imagine a kind of imprint of my body inside my real body, and instead of my real fingers moving, the imagined image of my fingers moves, and outside the limits of the physical body. It can also feel like i am floating. At this point i just seem to get lost in all these new feelings and fall asleep - obviously this would be failure in the eyes of a lucid dreamer, but for me its always been success.

Sleepwalking happens in slow wave sleep and has nothing to do with the sleep paralysis that is associated with REM-sleep.
sleepnet.com/rest.html

However, there exists a sleep disorder called REM Behavior Disorder (RBD) in which the sleep paralysis doesn’t function properly during REM, and people start to scream and move in bed. The difference with sleepwalking is not only different sleep stage but also the fact that "RBD activity is usually confined to the bed and the surrounding area. "
sleepdisorderchannel.net (you will find the RBD-link on the left side, the link doesn’t function here because of acronym feature)
web.indstate.edu/thcme/anderson/NCR.html