Yes, I understand Dm7. I have repeated that point since my first post in this thread! These people obviously are not thinking rationally. They are disconnected from reality.
While watching the “Discovery Health Channel” I heard a story of a boy that almost lost his life in a car accident. His parents called the police, but his best friend had an idea where to look. He didn’t tell the boys parents or police, but he went with a few friends to search for him.
Just days before the boy talked about driving his truck off a well known cliff. He was a football player, and was also stressing out about starting collage. His friends found him at the bottom of the cliff.
For weeks the boy didn’t know what happened. He only remembered waking up in the hospital in pain. Afterwards he remembered having trouble sleeping due to depression that night. Around 3am he woke straight up and got his keys. He said he felt like a robot that was programmed to only do one thing. He said he didn’t think at all, and he was just moving. He drove towards the cliff and the first curve without a guardrail he drove over.
He said he was “a robot.” I’m glad to have heard that story to share here. My first post here also shared a story of how these vitims do not think and are in a sort of “trance.” I’m not sure if we should try to find a way to place blame on anyone, but nothing is wrong with calling the action a desire for only one’s self.
Life is and always will be a struggle. add more later, gotta go
Well a German study showed that suicide victems had all 20% to 50% less serotonin receptors, that shows at least in the direction that you could call it a mental decease or a physical disfunction from the brain.
So u couldnt blame the person that commits a suicide from being egoistic because he/she isnt her self anyway at least not at that time.
And suppose ppl would all hate u, lol, would it then be egoisitic to not commit suicide?
I think when u talk about if its egoistic or not it has more to do how you yourself personal experience suicide for the ppl that are left behind.
But you never can experience how the person that committed suicide felt.
So to be honest…I cant judge that.
We can say however that we are sorry for the victem, and the ppl that are left behind. And i truly am.
I find suicide always a very sad thing!
When I wanted/attempted to commit a suicide. I wasn’t myself. Like that boy said, it was like I was a robot. Also I recall some times where I didn’t think at all. I was unable to think except that commiting suicide thoughts.
It was really scary… those years passed so fast because I don’t remember really thinking. I was struggling to live one more day just because there were something inside me fighting to live. It was like I was trapped deep inside and couldn’t do anything. Sometimes I fall into that hole where I was purely depressed that I get “attacked” as if I was going mentally insane then boom I just knew what to do as if I was solely programmed for this… commiting a suicide. It was absolutely a terrifying thought to me, but I couldn’t do anything about it.
That’s when I really realized how messed up I was. I also couldn’t sleep. I couldn’t even fantasize like other kids did. All I thought about was committing suicide. Somehow I took action and tried my best to stop it. I looked deeply inside me. I started to meditate occasionally even though I didn’t know how. It took me… I’d say full 3 years to come out of it fully. Right now… wow I hold life dearly close to me. It’s so precious to me. Maybe Technodreamer’s right… because I have been at other end… so far in that end that I learned how to look at other end differently.
I will never forget it… it all started after my grandpa’s death. I took it very hard, but lucky I’m still here. With a renewed persective of life!
Life is too precious to end prematurely for me now. Oh yes, my life’s not perfect. I do get frustrated sometimes yes of course; however, I learned how to deal with it much better now. It’s a beautiful thing.
For the people that don’t beleive in Heaven nor hell, what do you think happens to the person when they commit suicide? After i think about it, there’s no answer (well maybe ) What do you think?
Well, i don’t believe in them and i just think it is similiar to turning off a computer. The person doesn’t exist without life. Just my opinion, so don’t bother arguing against it.
But Alex, if you say we are just computers then ho…
… ok. It is only your ‘opinion’. So it’s no good arguing about it…
I guess in a way it is a good opinion to have because when you die and find out you are wrong, it will come as a great surprise.
This thread reminds me of a Japanese anime I saw t’other day, ‘Lain’. In it, a girl commits suicide but her ‘soul’ continues to exist and can communicate via a futuristic internet network.
My older sister had tried to commit suicide once. She took pills and they had to bring her to the hospital. The pills were already … how do you say that… they were too late to get it out of her stomach. But luckily she didn’t took much pills. She only had to stay for the night.
It could be that it was not the only time. I only know that my father put a lot of pressure on her. It’s strange because I can’t remember. I remember that my sister and dad always had discussions while dinner.
I always thought about myself that I’m not really a depressive person. But there is a little bit of it in me. I was very shy in highschool in Belgium. It was like I felt I… was in a shield. I didn’t dare to turn my head at some places. I even felt abandonned from the others of my class. And when they whispered and laughed I thought they were speaking about me. Mh… sounds like a stupid movie
However, I constantly told myself “You’re over-reacting. You just want some attention.” I still do. But lately I’m more like ‘whatever’. Just wanna be happy
Two times I tried in a stupid way to hurt myself… one time I put the cord of a tape recorder in my mouth while it was still in the socket. That was… just… incredibly stupid. Luckely my brains didn’t burned out or something The other time I had the cord of the same tape recorder around my neck and that damn thing just felt down the stairs… without the cord.
Later I broke down the recorder. I just wanted to see what was in it.
My mother said once that something in Cola Light stimulates depression. I believe it is… I only know the word in Dutch… “Aspertaam”. I remember this because my sister drunk Cola Light in that time and my mother had read it somewhere.
Something tells me that committing suicide is not selfish, but actually it is. Because of family and friends. Persons trying to commit suicide don’t think at the moment about others. A large percentage of them anyway. (Not that i’ve measured it ) They think nobody loves them so why would they. So if you look at it from out of their vision it is not selfish. And it is a disease. Also talking doesn’t always help. My sister went to somebody for it but she hated it to talk about it. I didn’t really know what was going on back then but I know that mother really supported her. Showed her love and all that. That’s the most important thing what I believe. We both are doing better now but mom is scared that my sister will fall back into the depression. She’s studying at the university. I’m proud of her and I hope that it won’t happen again to her.
The story is getting long so I better go to sleep, it’s getting kinda late.
[Edit] I have also this… stupid thought. I had this thought a long time ago already. I have those moments when I think about committing suicide by taking pills or something. A calmly death. I know I’m scared for pain and not for dead itself. Pain is the most scary thing for me.
My thought is not realistic and I hope I’m won’t be that stupid when I’m old. A death is never calm.
First, I am sorry to hear that your sister tried this. My youngest sister attempted suicide too, a few years ago. Her life has now changed so much that I don’t think it is something she would now consider (I hope). I think it always will leave a shadow of doubt in my mind, though.
I understand what you felt like at school. I was always the odd one out at school who didn’t belong with the others. I felt like they were talking about me not being fashionable and having the latest hairdo etc. I was really self conscious with my self-esteem at an all time low and it just felt awful to be teased all the time.
Looking back, I am glad that I was not one of them and that I was able to be an individual, and I still am Sometimes my self-esteem does drop, but I try not to let it ruin things and I get over it much more easily now. I never attempted anything, but I had things all planned out. Sometimes I fell asleep crying with my face in my pillow wishing that it would just smother me.
As a mother, my perspective has changed so much. When I hold my children close to me, I can understand how precious life is. I know that the pain of loosing a child must be the most awful feeling in the world and knowing that they have taken their own life must intensify this. My childrens’ love for me also means so much. They are still at an age where they speak from their hearts and the words ‘I want you for ever and ever, Mummy’ are ones that sum it all up.
Sara: I’m so sorry to hear about your sister. I sincerely hope your sister will be able to complete her university education and do so much better.
When I was depressed, I was very self-conscious about everything. At school, I can’t somehow fit in because the major barriar was being deaf. I was going to a hearing school… no one there knew sign language. They made fun of me. Plus my grandpa just died. It just built and built up until the building (self) of mine fell. I felt really overwhelmed. When I actually was going to commit suicide, I could feel other me deep inside of me screaming to live just one more day. That how I went by… living day by day.
I do understand about not liking to talk about depression with someone. For me, I couldn’t really share 100% about how I feel because I was afraid that maybe they would think I’m nuts and put me into a mental hospitial. No thanks. shudders I was forunate enough though to somehow take the action and get out of the depression. Don’t ask me how I did it, but I think meditating did play a big part for me.
Anyways, showing your sister your love would mean much to her. It will mean veeeery much to her I’m sure.
I do care and do wish her the best luck with university and everything!
Sara iam also sorry for you and your sister.
Iam glad that your sister now seems to be more happy with herself and does university. I really hope all goes well for you and your fam
And about thoughts, never make thoughts so large that u cant escape from them…they are only a snapshot of a moment from your mind
They pass by!
Thank you all. And I’m sorry to hear about your sister too, Sleepyhead.
I noticed my sister is still a bit frustrated. Today is her birthday and we are going to a restaurant And her boyfriend will be there too.
We haven’t met him yet.
True Jeff… And thoughts are just thoughts. Too bad that not everybody realizes that.
People who say that committing suicide is a selfish act, don’t know what they are talking about. They are imbeciles. When a person reaches the stage of life when they are in continuous pain and agony from a disease of which there is no cure, it is difficult to continue on. When life comes to that point accompanied by people having to hand feed you and change your diapers and etc, and you realize that your future is extremely dismal , then suicide is a viable option. On the religious side, no one knows for certain what happens to us after suicide. God alone will judge and unlike people who are slow to forgive and forget, HE will take into consideration the circumstances under which you committed the act.
I used to get suicidal. People who have never felt like that have absolutely no idea what a person goes through in order to get to that point.
Living is the easy way out. Actually I’d prefer to refrase that and elaborate a bit more. The easy way is to stick to a routine that you are stuck in, to follow the croud, to do what is expected of you. It takes a strong person to stand up and go for what they want out of life. It just happens to be that what some people want out of life is for it to end.
This whole debate brings up a very important issue for me.
Think about it: The more that suicide is labelled as “selfish”, etc., the less and less people will want to talk about their feelings if they are feeling that way, and the more likely it is that their feelings will continue inwards, maybe even unoticed to to them conciously to a certain degree. This whole “selfish” label then just feeds the problem rather than helping to solve it.
I know this, because once, a few years ago, in conversation, I let slip to my mum that sometimes I felt like killing myself, and she angrily said to me that her aunt had commited suicide and that she thought it was really selfish and that I was never to mention the subject ever again. I rarely brought the subject up after that, but it didn’t stop me thinking those thoughts.
So, you may very well feel that suicide as an actual act is a selfish thing, but you must NEVER, under any circumstances, ever tell a suicidal person that they are selfish. Otherwise you yourself are being selfish.
As horrific as it may seam, that’s probably the precise reason why some men have been known to kill their entire families at the same time.
Remember that famous recent case of Robert Mochrie in south Wales who battered his wife and kids to death before taking an overdose and then hanging himself? Friends and neighbours say he adored his family. If he didn’t he would have just killed himself.
BBC news story from 2001: news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/wales/1298202.stm
These people obviously are not thinking rationally. They are disconnected from reality.
With a renewed persective of life!
It’s a beautiful thing. 
(well maybe 
The other time I had the cord of the same tape recorder around my neck and that damn thing just felt down the stairs… without the cord.
