What should new LDers be told

I agree. Leave them alone. If they ask how hard it is I will just say it depends on how hard you choose to make lucid dreaming. I will still say make it easy on yourself, but prehaps I won’t overload them with opinions.

THis topic is a good example of what could happen when you overload them with opinions.

We should tell them that lucid dreaming is very dangerous and stops you from ever waking up again. :tongue:

Tell them that if you die in a lucid dream you die in real life. The body cannot function without the brain… :smile:

Bloomin’ 'eck! Why are you encouraging us then if it can kill us? I’m not gonna try anymore if that’s how high the stakes are!

Morpheus is always right. Im just retelling what he told Neo. :wink:

You can come back to life if someone kisses you in real life while you are dying in the dream, that was also demonstrated in the Matrix :smile:

Lol./ I love this debate. It’s giving me motivation to lucid dream.

Shhh! Your sub-c might pick up on it.

Oops, you may be right, I read somewhere that your subconscious doesn’t understand sarcasm, or any jokes for that matter.

Dunno if that’s the casre though, 'cos it’s constantly playing pranks on me.

So you shouldn’t joke to the newbies.

I read something about AP once that said, “the only thing you have to worry about is having a heart attack,” in the first paragraph. Funnily enough, I’ve ignored it ever since.

Well I told you the debate will go on. This is a great discussion though.

Unfortunately I still don’t know what the right answer is. I am still 100% against telling people that lucid dreaming is hard.

Perhaps this is the safest middle ground.

We can just be supportive and encouraging with new LD ‘ers.

I beleive there is a new danger. If you hold your breath, you can pass out or die. No joking. So I suggest you don’t try to sufficate your self in an LD, or in RL for that matter.

Back onto topic, I am also against ever telling them that it’s hard. Because it’s not. Lucid dreaming is easy. I don’t understand why people fidn it hard. THey just make it hard. THey have to stop wanting lucidity so hard.

I just have to say this, because my teacher said it and didn’t understand why everyone was laughing at him. I guess this debate has become popular, and so we aught to call it a mass debate. Ha, ha, not funny!! :tongue: Awww, it wasn’t a bad attempt at humor!?

But we enjoy messsing with your minds. It means you will never be able to leave the forum again. Plants idea into heads :tongue:

I’ll pop in and just cough towards a relevant section of the wikibook which hasn’t even been changed since the debate started:

(the underlines are mine)

This is called Neutral point of view. I think that I’ll just pop in and say that I agree with what people seem to have arrived at, which is NPOV, so I win. :content:

Yes, but it talks about how one can make it hard for themselves, not easy. You must give them a NPOV while tellling them how some people have mamnaged to make it easy.

I’m not sure it’s completely a NPOV, because it talks about how to make it hard for themselves.

Darn. I keep posting as the avatar reaper when I’m logged in. Sorry.

Not so fast.

Technodreamer. Grrr.

I really like that. We should tell them that.

Let’s tell them that when everything goes blank they’re eyes are being pushed out of their sokets in RL.

I don’t understand - it just says that with bad circumstances, LDing may take longer.

You can’t kill yourself by holding your breath. If you hold it for long enough, you pass out. Once you pass out, you automatically begin breathing again.

Exactly. And although it’s not ment to put a negative view, it does. Even if it is subconscious.

That’s still pretty dangerous. I’m sure you would make youself ill.

Yeah probably kill off some brain cells at the least.

yep, that is a age old trick that little kids use on their parrents to get their way, if only parents knew thet their kids wouldnt die. they will give up. but if the kids see results then they keep at it. it is very dangours and yep you are right jon you do lose a far few brain cells lol. may as well ut a drink in their hands and tell em 2 drink

Yes it can. There was a another negative statement in wikibooks I don’t remember it exactly. I’ll have to read it again later and see if I can find it. Again it was not intentional but could be subliminal.

As I see it here are the facts:

  1. Lucid dreaming can be learned by anyone and is easy.
  2. Despite fact # 1 a lot of people are struggling with it.

As you saw when we tried to send the positive message that LD ing is easy the reaction from some people was hostile. It was taken (wrongly) as an insult to there efforts ro have LD ‘s.

So we can’t say it is easy. But I don’t think just telling them that it takes practice and patience is being helpful to people either.

So the question remains. How do we help people who are struggling in a way that is beneficial to them?