Hi,
I’m re-reading the previous WILD threads and I’ve got to one of Jeff’s posts where he says you won’t go easily in REM if you try WILD at night because REM is related to alpha brain waves which come later into the night.
So, here I wonder … In parapsychology there is a common thechnique to step directly into alpha brain waves from where you can do some “paranormal” things…
The questions is: if it is easy enough to get into alpha state, why not to step a little bit further ? 
Take care,
HS
That is actually not completely true. Most people who practice WILD do use the WBTB method because they find it easier and faster. However if you read all jeffs posts you will see that he does WILD at bedtime as does Dm7 as do I (though I am not as good at it as jeff and Dm7. yet 
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There are many skills that can bring you down into the Alpha range meditation and hypnosis are just 2 of them. In fact many believe that you can even go as far as theta.
You also are making an assumption that may not be accurate.
=> Do you have to be in REM sleep to dream ??? Many feel that you don’t. REM is just where most dreaming occurs.
=> Is it possible to change your REM cycle. Many people believe you can !!!
[color=indigo]Hey. I’ve just got back from a trip to the beach…and thought about trying WILD in the car on the way back listening to the radio. This could work right? I mean if you don’t have to be in any particular position, you could do it sat up right? It’s just the bumps from the road and the radio were keeping me slightly aware, but I was still ‘falling asleep’ and imagining things. (These stupid imagined dream things are SO damned hard to remember!) So is it possible, or easier?
Also when trying WILD, does anyone else get the sense of a quieter and louder sound? Like when you remember where you are and what you’re doing, it gets louder?[/color]
Thanks for the info realworld, some really useful tips. I sympathise with you, I live in a box in a student house, it’s not too bad but not being able to have silence when you want it can be very annoying, and living next to the bathroom can really mess up sleeping. I’m glad to say that I nearly WILDed last night, although I experienced the associated experiences before entering a dream whistling, tingling etc, I couldn’t keep focused and they cut out after a few seconds and I found myself awake (This occurred after waking from a dream BTW). However, it’s only been two days since my first WILD so I see this as progress.
How long did it take people to learn to WILD from bedtime as opposed to WBTB?
And have you tried ear plugs realworld? I am a poor sleeper but I find I can sleep with them. The only problem is fear of not hearing my alarm, however I find that you can hear well enough to detect such things normally.
cheers 1984, i’ve tried earplugs but don’t like them.
I try WILD most nights apart from when i go out and been into ld’ing for about a year but only WILD the last 3 month, i have 1-2 a week from them.
pstgirl
Rub it in. 
Spring just starting here after a bad winter.
I have never tried that but, I don’t see any reason why it would not work. I think it wold be a challenge though, unless you are really good at WILD.
[color=indigo]oh well. That rules me out lol.
Don’t worry. The beach was crap, cold, and its the same here as ar as winter goes!
It was warmer in Antarctica than the beach.[/color]
Don’t give up that easily !!! You never know. You might just pull it off. No harm in trying.
Too bad. Things will be warming up soon. I hope. 
I was wondering if anyone who can WILD from bedtime has spent a whole night WILDing, or a significant portion of it. Because if you can WILD from bedtime, can you just keep re-WILDing every time you wake up? Or is this hard/impossible or has no one ever had the will to try it, I could imagine it would be quite an effort. Thanks.
Could you explain the technique? I understand that alpha brain waves are being awake but relaxed, as in if you lie down for 5 minutes even if you aren’t sleepy, you’re in alpha?
See I’ve always been confused about this. The books describe it like I’M IN ALPHA RIGHT NOW since I’m being lazy and sitting down posting and not really active at all, I would consider this to be being relaxed…
But alpha is also associated with light sleep, and I am very familiar with light sleep, it’s what happens when your thoughts wander and turn into quiet voices and you are basically just observing them, or not even paying attention.
That is also a relaxed feeling, coming out doesn’t necessarily cause a jerk, it can be smooth, and you can still feel on the verge of consciousness, so is THAT alpha?
Or is taking 5 deep breaths and stretching out alpha? Both = relaxation as far as I know.
Now then… I guess theta would be once you get deep enough in wandering thoughts/images/sounds to actually JERK out of it? I can get to theta within 15 minutes then… alpha almost immediately, but coming out makes me feel normal, and it’s hard to get back in until I get groggy.
So… I don’t know. I know that HI can take you directly into dreams, and that I can access fairly strong HI within 15 minutes usually, so I would say you can definitely WILD whenever you want.
I just can’t do it… I’ve decided I need to give up on this approach and rather try a very ACTIVE imagination approach where I practice visualizations until I get good enough at them to make them fairly strong at will, and hope that say… i focus on something, see it… then really SEE it, then hold it… then I feel myself being drawn into it, then I can interact with it as if it were conscious HI, or even enter a dream.
For some reason the thing I tried to imagine was a green triangle… so I’m gonna stick with that, maybe i’ll associate green triangles with trances eventually. I’d say “green triangle” whenever I’d lose focus and try to see one, but of course I’d end up seeing cartoon characters and whatnot…
But yeah…
I’ve always thought WILD was just what you do after you wake up in the morning, not something people did during the middle of the day (which is what I want to do very bad)
I just firmly believe that if you can consciously WILD during the day, you can get really familiar with it so that you can trigger SP/trance/LD/AP/OBE/HI almost instantly.
Robert Bruce says he can enter a paralysis trance in 30 seconds.
I know I’m close, I just need to find out how to HOLD ON to a small thread of consciousness, or I need to build a strong imagination, and since it’s been 4-6 months of the holding on attempt, maybe I’ll work on the imagination instead.
It’s also just occured to me that maybe I should RC when i get a myoclonic jerk out of HI… hmm… that would be so ironic if I’m just dreaming about trying to meditate the whole time, but I somehow doubt it because then the HI within a dream should be strong and cooperative with me, and my imagining myself floating should make me float.
For me it varies. On nights I become lucid I often have several LD’s in a night and each night is different for me. But, yes it is possible to WILD all night or have any combinations of WILD, MILD, DILD. It is also possible to maintain consciousness through all stages of sleep. Not easy but, some people do it. I can’t yet but, working on it.
I have 3 questions about WILD.
How long does it take most of you to become lucid from WILD or to atleast feel something significant such as the vibrations or SP. Last night I was doing WILD for about 50 mins and the only thing I got was the small tingling in my extremities that I always get and the lurch (read below)
Has anyone ever felt a LARGE lurch of your stomach? I don’t really know how to explain it, but yesterday when I was doing WILD I felt my stomach lurch (probably like when you’re about to vomit and your stomach suddenly shoots in), the lurch made my body shoot up and it was pretty surprising.
When you are doing WILD, will opening your eyes or moving any part of your body reset the whole process? Yesterday I was still for pretty much the whole 50 mins because I was afraid opening my eyes or moving my body would reset it.
Hello,
I also have a few questions for those of you whose are into WILD. For the most part I have stayed away from WILD in the past concentrating on WBTB, MILD, and DILD with marginal success. I’m looking to start trying WILD so I was wondering what technique people found the most effective? And what is the best advice you girls/guys have for a beginner?
ypm.
=> I can already tell that you are spending way too much time worrying about the symptoms of WILD (SP, HI what ever) This will keep you awake. Just focus on your techniques and let things happen. You need to let yourself relax and let go. As far as how long it will take? Everyone is different but, as you keep practicing you will get faster.
=> With WILD you can feel almost anything. Just before I completely crossover I often feel like I am having a seizure, I ‘ll feel like my body is being pulled in some direction etc. You may hear and see strange things or feel like you cant breath. All is normal and nothing to fear. You just have to get used to them and ignore them.
=> Yep you have to stay still. At least when you first start out. Moving will bring you back to waking consciousness. Sucks I know but trust me it is worth it and with practice it won’t be that hard at all.
It really depends on a number of factors. Probably the most significant would be how tired I was at the time. Obviously if I’m already finding it difficult to stay awake, it won’t take long for the first sign of sleep-onset to occur when I crawl into bed. It also depends how relaxed I am. If I’ve just listened to a few hypnosis files it generally won’t take more than a few minutes of laying absolutely still for hypnagogics to begin.
This is why it’s always much easier to induce a WILD if you’ve just woken from a few hours of sleep. You’ll probably still be quite tired, and you’ll certainly be very relaxed. If you try not to move too much (your limbs should still be “tingling” with relaxation), it’s often possible to get back to sleep literally within seconds. If you’d prefer it took a little longer, you can always get up for a few minutes before your attempt.
In terms of numbers, I’d say 10 to 15 minutes should take you to the first stage of hypnagogics. If it takes much longer than that I tend to get too distracted with things like temperature, those itches that I can’t scratch due to staying perfectly still, and the elaborate conversations that spontaneously occur in my head.
It’s fairly common for strange sensations like that to occur when your body is in the process of falling asleep. It indicates that you’re still conscious when usually you’d have passed out. To be honest though, I’ve never had anything as intense as you describe. It’s usually just random sounds, vibrations, tingling relaxation, etc.
Hard to say, and I guess it’s different for everyone. I try not to move at all, because I always think it’ll reset the process and I’ll have to start again. My main objective is to completely relax myself, almost as if I was completely cutting off the connection to my limbs. It’s difficult to describe, but you can feel when you’ve fully “let go” of a part of your body, and it only takes a second to do it.
To be honest, though, you shouldn’t even be thinking about your body. In fact, you shouldn’t be paying any attention to it whatsoever. The idea is to occupy 100% of your attention with internal constructs, so you don’t notice these things occurring to your RL form.
A few nights ago, I accidentally discovered WILD after I woke up one night. I had first heard about lucid dreams only two days before this happened, and I didn’t read anything about WILD at all. I just stumbled upon what WILD was the next day. Very weird that I woke up that night, and concentrated on the blackness when I closed my eyes then next thing I knew I had sleep paralysis. I got too excited and woke up moments after my vision started fading into an image. The next night I tried it again, I was laying on my chest this time. When I started to feel the sleep paralysis my heart started beating so hard that my breathing became very studdered and irregular. I don’t know if this is a normal event, or if it was because I was laying on my chest. I stopped the WILD after a minute or so of trying to calm my breathing and heart down, I didn’t want to do something I would regret because of my inexperience. Is the rapid heart beat normal, or will it go away after I experience WILD a few times? If you want to know, I’m 19, so I it isn’t any heart conditions of any sort.
From what I’ve read, yes that is very normal.
Last night I almost WILDed again, but as usual I snapped out of it. But then I somehow found a way to focus on the HI without snapping out of it. HI goes away quite fast for me, each HI scene/object usually only lasts for a few sec. Last night I managed to look at it for atleast 10 sec, and I had the feeling that I get in LD’s where I can feel the dream. I think by practicing to hold on to this feeling I might prolong my LD’s 
Hey, y’got another person who’s decided to try and learn WILD.
And I’ve got one question… how can you tell when you’ve entered SP?
Oh, and one mroe thing. When I was attempting WILD one time, my legs and arms suddenly became painful and weak. I couldn’t take it after a while, and opened my eyes.
Well, I saw why my arms and legs were weak. They had pivereted so that my chest was leaning out (imagine someone laying on a bed, and then having a chest burtser thingy from Alien’s shooting out of their chest - that was the postion I was in).
I’ve never heard of that happening before… has anyone else experinced it? I think it might have been because I was trying to relax so hard, that I infact did the oppostie and tensed my muscles?
You will definately know when you have entered SP, there’s no way to miss it. I usually start getting vibrations all over my body that get very intense after a while.