[b][color=indigo]The only good thing I can think of that came out of hitler’s mouth was the idea about people with disabilities and diseases. That they should not have their own children but adopt one of the many unloved children of the world to help stop orphanages and to stop the spread of diseases and mental disablilities etc that can be passed on through your genes.
But of course I don’t agree with what he did after that which was to KILL all the disabled people.
Hitler had good ideas, but he didn’t use those ideas well and certainly was no friend to the people!
But I do have a certain respect for him being able to go through his life fighting for what he believed in such a way that the smallest man became a ‘great’ man.
If only he had believed in saving the whales or something. Well he WAS an animal rights activist.[/color][/b]
Exactly what I wanted to say earlier, but I didn’t want to be criticized. Bush and Hitler both had INSANE charisma. That’s why Bush is prez, and Hitler was capable of doing what he did.
Shinta: Einstein was a Physics guy, not a mathmetician.
And I stand behind Zhuge as the man who can predict anything that anyone can do. ^,^
Hitler wasn’t a genius. In fact, he made the exact same mistake Bonaparte did 130 years earlier. The bewildered herd will turn towards anyone for guidance during an economic depression. (by the way, he blamed Germany’s loss of WWI on America’s superior propaganda)
If I had to pick a military genius, I’d say Hannibal or Sun-Tzu.
These are some of the people who I think are geniuses, though I didn’t put much thought into it (genius is just a fancy way of saying you respect someone?): Marx, Darwin, Einstein, Aristotle.
I’d say Aristotle was, for his time, the most intelligent person who ever lived. Though I imagine, throughout history, the names of many brilliant people aren’t anywhere to be found in any books or television shows.
LaVey thought of calling it Humanism, as it’s basically about being yourself and not letting “false” religions force you to be someone you are not. But humanism is not a religion therefore he chose Satanism as it was in many ways the oposite of what many religions teach.
Basically do what you wish rather than do as we say, unfortunately due to the name many people think of Satanism as being that devil worshi c**p they see in holywood movies.
As for the original question great geniuses - i would have to say none of the above (with the possible exception of Sun-Tzu) as inventor wise they didn’t really accomplish anything that wouldn’t have come about anyways.
Fine they revolutionised the period of time they lived in but a lot of the things people ceit as being genious would probably happened any way without the person who originally invented it.
One of WWII’s greatest moments i think was Germany’s stealth aircraft plans. Which were stolen and handed to American scientists and formed the basis of the aircrafts now know as the F117A Stealth Bomber & B2 Stealth - although the original plans did look more like the B2 Stealth - the F117A was the first to be made.
So many war geniousses? I think the one who refuses to wage war is more genious than any of those. But i could still throw in Erwin Rommel aka The Desert Fox.
You already took up Einstein. Theory of Relativity, E=MC[size=75]2[/size] and not to forget brilliant quotes. Guess i could throw in few religious/spiritual ones from him.
“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.” Don Juan from Castaneda’s books might just have sayed like that aswell…
“Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: it transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural & spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity.”
And to go more further on road of spiritual geniousness… how about Buddha?
Just to make things clear. Tide of the war was turned on eastern front. Most of the german casualties were there, at least 20,000,000 soviets died during the war. And when D-Day started on 1944 Germany was already withdrawing and it was just question of time when they would lose totally. Of course US and UK lendlease program helped, but in the end it was russian lives and soviets being able to raise huge military production during the war that became the end of Third Reich. US just came to german in time so that soviets didnt swallow the whole Europe, and who knows if soviets might have advanced and driven US out of Europe unless the Atom Bombs had not came around.
[b][color=indigo]I still think Elizabeth the first, but for the scottish people who may be here, that don’t accept her as a queen, then I’ll choose someone else.
Yoshitaka Amano
oh yeah
bring it back to the art world and final fantasy…his art is amazing, and me being the biggest 16yr old art freak there is, I think his work is the most beautiful, inspiring and original artwork there has ever been.[/color][/b]
Ghandi was a great person I think, but I don’t know wether the word genious is the right one to describe him.
I rather think about art, people like Huxley or Hesse. Perhaps even someone as unknown as Jeff Noon, I love his way of telling stories.
There is music, Jim Morrison, Thomas D…
Yet, noone comes to my mind that I’d really like to label a genious. Perhaps I just don’t really know what to think of the word
Other way round
Besides, I don’t see how that benefited Germany. The DDR was just another dictatoric regime with the big wall around it, anybody who wanted to get out was shot. Now that the wall has fallen there are still problems, since the west is more advanced than the east. For a long time after the union westerns felt like something better, while the people from the east didn’t like the west for being rich. Today the both parts slowly unite (a union in the minds I mean), but it’s a slow progress.
Fashism is much more common in the eastern part, btw
I also think Hitler was good at giving speeches, but I don’t think he could be considered a genious (even from a non-ethical point of view)
Wow this certainly has become a “your thoughts on Hitler” thread.
I see Leonardo Da Vinci as one of the greatest thinkers our world has ever seen. And if you don’t already know the reasons then you should read a biography. The man was centuries ahead of his time.
Haha, I was talking about this on IRC a few days ago… Hitler was a dude!
Sure he did some crappy things, but he was an awesome leader. One of the most misunderstood leaders of our time.
Patton was a general in… ww2…, i think, actually there is a movie with george c scott its pretty good. he just thought that he had been reincarnated from past war heros, he was a little crazy but isn’t every good genius?
