The thread here does touch on a horrible sitiuation related to circumcisions, and that’s mistakes during the procedure. The casual decision of circumcision is a problem, and the risk with possible mistakes involved could be life altering/destroying. 1 such mistake a year should be enough to enrage everyone.
but please don’t believe the hype. Doctors don’t sneak such a procedure by the parents, and there are pain reduction methods. Circumcised men aren’t “crippled” or sexually handicap, and the amount of mistakes are not high enough to cause alarm.
lol. I wasn’t being aggressive… just stating my opinion with a voice. I am just saying… I didn’t have a choice to be circumsized. i just was… and I have no problem with it at all. no complications, or malfunctions. So, therefore, since i have no problem with being circumsized, i am not against it. because i find nothing wrong with having it done.
as I read more of the posts I find the people saying “how dare they inflict such tortue on infants! oh my!” what a crock. I was cirrcumsized as an infant and i don’t even remeber it or it even hurting. there for, who really cares? I didn’t realize that there were actual mistakes going on and babies actually dying from it… kinda weird. i don’t see how they would die unless they bled to death. but as for the pain factor, It didn’t hurt me one bit that i remeber.
Does that make it okay, just because you forgot the pain?? If that is your reasoning, then it must be ok to torture people aswell, as the pain will be forgotten/lost when they are dead anyways… I am not against circumsizion at all, i am against that people are forcing this onto people, without asking what they want… Adults can go through with this procedure aswell…
The medical benefits can be argued, cause most of these studies is very biased… if you read around, you find that there are loads of info both against and for circumsizion.
Agression? I don’t see much here, but I welcome you to pick through this entire thread and present every sign of agression you find. For me, I find the agression in the replies of the people against circumcision.
So, are you now concluding from a two page thread that circumcised men must be more violent too? I live in a town with 1 murder in the last 10 years, and you are calling us aggressive now too?
and I’m suppose to just sit here and believe all this, when I’m an American Male living through it. I have a voice with credit towards the topic, and I speak here only to counter balance the debate.
There is nothing aggressive about standing up for what you feel is truth. I’m not going to sit here and watch this thread not being spoke for. I’m sure most people wouldn’t give this silly thread time, but I can’t let such an image be painted upon myself and America.
And can we all agree that this operation is not necessary?
And don’t interpret “unnecessary” as bad… all is fine if circumcision is not done and most likely fine if it is…
For me it all boils down to choice…
I would never force my child in major decisions like circumcision, baptism etc. They would have to decide for themselves. If religion/tradition or whatever requires it to happen when they’re infants, well that’s too bad…
You wouldn’t remember the pain even if they amputated your leg… but you would feel pain as it happened
That is why you are happy in Sweden, and I am happy in The United States.
In the US we even allow the witches that are locked in prison to practice their religion at Witching Hour. That means on some nights around midnight 11pm-1am that they are allowed to go outside and chant around some fire. . . . . may sound strange to some … but we don’t say “well that’s too bad” in reguards to religion here. . . even for prisoners that have had most of their rights taken away.
I guess I could’ve put that another way…
What I meant was that… for example if my partner is practicing religion X. And that religion requires her child to also be of religion X and undergo ritual Y at birth. I would have a problem with that since I want my child to find her own way of life and discover the religion/philosophy she feels comfortable with…
I’m not sure what you want to say with that witch example, that I / Sweden is somehow not fully for the freedom of religion? I’m very much for it. You can worship whatever you want, the devil/god/spongebob but don’t force it upon others.
But yeah, my philosophy of “practice your religion freely but don’t force it upon others” is a problem in for example this case, circumcision…
Something that has come up already on others opinions that i agree with is that i wouldnt like it if id been cut as a child without them questioning me first. I dont see what good does that cutting do? I like to be sensitive, i wouldnt want to have to fuck hard just to feel something. Though i dont know how it really is as im not circumsized. And the worst reason for it so far that has been brought up, is that it looks ugly if it isnt cirmusized. I wanna be all natural. And this is in no way meant to be as offence to circumsized people, just how i feel about it with my little first hand experience about the subject (or circumsized penis).
Her? if your child is female I hope she never has to decide to have a male circumcision!
I only mentioned the witches to give an example of the extreme measures taken here to preserve a person’s right to practice their religion. I’m not critizing Sweden at all. I’m just explaining how the opinion “well, that’s too bad” would not be welcome here.
Although, the practice of circumcision in American hospitals seems to not be related to religion at all. The only reasons seem to be cultural, cosmetic, and a preventitive measure against certain diseases and infections medically.
yes linnnunhammas, as it is impossible for the circumcised to imagine being un-cut. It’s also not really possible for the un-cut to imagine being cut. Although like someone has previously mentioned, premature ejaculation is a problem for both cut and uncut men. Sensation during sex is not a problem for cut men. heck, maybe circumcision is the religious God’s way of equalling out the playing field so the woman can get some pleasure before the men are finished!
If I were to grow up in your culture and be “all natural” I couldn’t imagine choosing to be circumcised. And, if I lived in your culture I would probably prefer to look like the majority and be uncut.
However, the American culture has conditioned circumcision to be the norm.
And if a person is to grow up not happy with their circumcision. Then they should talk with their parents. Not blame the government, the culture, the religion, the practice, or blame the doctor.
Your parents are the ones to choose your name, your living conditions, the food and diet you have, the clothes you wear, the friends you play with, and the church you go (or don’t go) to.
Kids don’t raise themselves, and choices must be made for them. Only in a perfect world can babies make their own decisions, and some of the benefits of circumcision is so the infant doesn’t have urinary tract or penis infections.
I dont find that strange at all… what i find strange, is that people are allowed to “hurt” a innocent child, because of their religioun… It is a huge difference between doing something to yourself/your body, than to force their beliefs onto someone else. This is not just happening in america, but in all of the world, and i find it sickening! You might be perfectly happy with being circumsized, but other circumsized individuals might have a totally different view than you.
Also there are people who actually get a circumsizion as an adult…
An American doctor’s advice towards circumcision wouldn’t be for religious reasons. They are suppose to educate the parents of the unbiased pros and cons of each side of the decision.
Some children scream while getting their hair cut. Pulling teeth is done without the consent of most children. Some children have eye corrective surgery so they can see straight and not be teased. Is it really always necessary? Is it always with the consent of the children.
As long as a child is a child, the parents will force their beliefs to some extent. The child will do what the parents think is best.
It’s considered a very short term necessary discomfort for most American males. It’s done with the most possible pain and risk reduction measures modern times provide.
I think the change and difference between a cut and uncut penis may be exaggerated for some people. A properly circumcised penis will get no complaints from very many men, or else the adults wouldn’t decide to get them theirselves.
There is also circumcised men that use devices to help grow back the foreskin. It uses a stretching mechaninsm … but I won’t go into details.
People will change their minds about themselves no matter what the decision, but “forcing decisions” for your child that you think is best isn’t inhumane. . . that’s the essence of who a parent is.
I kidnap you, remove one of your kidneys. Sodomize you. Carve drawings in your skin, just, lots of fun torture.
THEN… when it’s over… I take a hammer, and I bash your head in.
Turn you over to a hospital. You spend the rest of your life as a mentally challenged vegetable with no memory of the torture.
That’s okay?
This is genital mutilation. There is no way around this issue. Genital mutliation it’s fine if you’re okay with being cut, but it is a criminal activity.
If I took you and castrated you, you’d be pissed off. I’d go to jail.
If I kidnapped a baby and circumcised it, I’d go to jail.
If I kdinapped a middle eastern man and circumcised him, I’d go to jail.
If a doctor does it against my will, he gets paid nicely for it?
You cannot consent to crimes. I can’t take my friend, say, “is it okay if we kidnap torture and rape Nic?” and if he says it’s okay, I can’t do that.
Or if Nics parents say “sure, kill my boy” I can’t do that.
It’s a f u c k i n g human rights violation for Christ’s sake.
why is it unattractive/ It’s the same principle as GAY PEOPLE ARE HORRIBLE, THEY ARE A TH REAT TO AMERICAN SAFETY, KILL THEM ALL!!!
There is nothing unattractive about an uncircumcised penis, you are conditioned to think that way like, chances are, you are conditioned to be homophobic and consumeristic.
Premature ejaculation is something that can be easily remedied with dedication, erectile dysfunction and lack of sensitivity can NEVER BE FIXED.
(well okay ED can sometimes, but the pills are a bit dangerous)
That is highly flawed reasoning.
Men can learn to multiple orgasm, in fact, I can almost pull it off, it takes work, but if you were having premature ejaculation problems (i’d love to have them right now) then all you’d need do is practice strengthening the PC muscle… I can keep it clenched pretty well but towrad the end I just have to let it convulse… I’m sure if
i could attain orgasm faster
this made me more likely to want to masturbate more
i really desired for multiples.
I could learn to be very enduring in sex… providing I had sex at all…
you cannot however learn to be re-sensitized.
umm no, it’s something akin to FIFTY PERCENT OF THE PENIS LOST.
how? and it takes me 15-30 minutes to get off going as fast as I can…
are you cut?
anyway, the only reason most males are happy that they are circumcised is because HOW THE HELL WOULD THEY KNOW BETTER? If all people got to choose, no one would sanely opt to have part of their penis whacked off (haha, good pun) unless they were either:
ignorant
pressured to by society
pressured to by religion
too young to understand the future rammifications.
it is correct, it would be cruel for a child who is genitally aware to be circumcised, it is also cruel for a childs first experience with his penis to be of severe pain. It is also cruel to deny the child an ability to masturbate (this is why circumcision was begun in America) by removing his foreskin.
I could have discovered masturbation at a gloriously young age, I mean, I tried all sorts of things to get myself off, but I just didn’t get it… (because you need lube to masturbate as a cut male) but if I had had natural intact genitals it would have been a naturally discovered process… hell maybe it would have made me sexually aware during my middle school years and I wouldn’t have gone through horrible “teasing” (to put it lightly) of being considered gay.
DA there is nothign medical about circumcision either, the articles I read say there is no therapuetic need to circumcise.
Exactly.
but we do tell people what they can’t see on tv and what they can’t put in their bodies, and we do let their parents consent to having parts of their wang chopped off.
Imagine if we allowed female circumcision.
PLUS… many religions use hallucinagens, BUT THOSE ARE GOD DAMNED ILLEGAL!!!
america is not a land of freedom, it’s better than communist china, it’s not better than Canada, it’s not better than a lot of places really.
sorry this is so incoherent, I should have kept track of this thread so I could address the issues one by one.
Yes I am anti-American. Yes I am AN America. I have the right to say “no, don’t chop off part of my dick” and I have the right to smoke bud and drink beer.
All are denied to me.
and I guess I should be pro-life, the abortion comparison is accurate… I’m a bit of a mixture of both, if it has consciousness, I don’t think you should terminate it, if it is not emitting brainwaves or even has a brain yet… I would say okay, it’s not alive… no harm done.
Im also reacting somewhat to the thought of circumcision. You can’t get around the fact that the baby do not have any choice in the matter. In USA it might be an advantage to be cut, since most other guys there are cut. But you could say the same about certain tribes in Africa when it comes to female circumcision. If they are not cut, they will get stigmatized.
Has there been any reports from males getting circumcised after they have become adults? Would like to know their opinion on what the difference is. Reason is that people circumcised as babies, can’t really know how it feels to be cut, ofcourse can say the same about non cut men. But, if cut men have to use lube, well…
but don’t force it upon others.
