Um you better look again. They have a complete thread where they do nothing but beat up on a 9 year old. 
People have come here and complaind about how unfriendly dreamviews is. They have 2 threads (that I saw) about how they have to become a more friendly site. Granted that is progress but, dreamviews still has a ways to go yet. Ld4all in my opinion is clearly the superior site. 
I think the front page actually calls all other lucid dreaming sites “ignorant” and they seem to boast about having the real truth “true merits” to lucidity. Their paradigm on the front pages quotes “we attempt to extricate lucid dreaming from the ensnaring darkness of ignorance.”
Dreamviews is a good site on lucid dreams, but it has separated itself from the already exisitant lucid dreaming community. I think LD4all promotes more of a unity with other related sites, even if our beliefs differ. DV seems to want to separate itself from the roots of the LD community.
It seems the atmosphere there breeds agressive behavior towards LD4all. We have had a few of their members join here to post threads insulting us, but I have not seen any evidence of LD4all members reacting that way on DV. I always feel disappointed and attacked when viewing their forum as a LD4all member. They have and do call us names.
The forums are not a popularity contest. Both are great places with good information. However the management of each forum creates an unique atmosphere for both of us. Choice is good, and a change of perspective is great.
DreamAddict
You bring up a good point. I could be wrong but, I don’t think ld4all has ever beat up on other lucid dreaming sites (until now that is in self defense). In fact, like you said, Q has formed partner ships with other sites like sea life. I recognized a few people from ld4all on dreamviews and our members behave far better on dreamviews then the dreamvies members that have visited here and as you point out attack us.( Hope that made sense)I am proud that our members do not act likewise when they visit dreamviews ( as far as I know ).
They not only call us names but they rip each other apart pretty good too.
Sure we have had some squabbles here and there on this site. But nothing like I saw on that cold dark day when ld4all was down. Out of desperation and severe withdrawal I foolishly visited dreamviews. The nightmares !!! They still haunt me. 
I appreciate all the lucid forums on the net as well as the astral ones. If Sealife weren’t down at the moment I’d post the stats I posted there about them all.
I think when ranked in membership order Robert Bruces Astral forum is number one, then its either the astral society or LD4all. I need to join and post at Dream views as they send the most visitors to the Lucid Crossroads of anywhere on the net but that will have to wait till the new site is done.
Have any of you heard of a Thread Bridge? This is where you start a thread on both forums about a common subject. A couple of users make sure they are members of both forums and then a couple of times a day they post the new posts collected in one forums thread to the other forums thread and visa versa.
It works really well, a couple of us did it on two forums (not LD ones) that delt with the same subject. It really ended up enlivening the two forums and many members from one forum join the other and visa versa.
Hi Pantalimon, no i never heared of a Thread Bridge, for polls about lds that could be quite interesting.
Interesting idea! 
I like the fact that there are several other dream forums and if i had all the time of the world i would post every where lol and become a member at all dream forums.
I dont think it would be good to make one huge mega forum that absorbs all others because then your freedom of choice is gone and also the diversity of what makes them all unique would be gone. Every forum has its own unique flavor and i like that, gives freedom of choice and diversity to choose from and thats a good thing for any dream lover.
Hi Adidas, welcome at ld4all and nice to c a mod from DV here 
Polls would be good as you get a massive boost to the numbers taking part so in theory it would be more accurate. Polls would have to run for a set time though so you could add up both forums results and display them.
Good LD topics might be “How can LDing be made more popular?” or other topics that might require larger numbers than is currently available to one single forum.
I always am astounded about how most people know little to nothing about the subject. Take a look at a very popular film forum etc and compare numbers of members to the most popular LD forums. This is a minority intrest… at the moment.
Quotes from dreamviews: (emphasis from original posters)
This is not meant to be fully representative or anything. I just found these when I was browsing around a bit.
Nah, there are enough n00bs out there [ld4all] to keep 100 LD sites busy!
Altough us Lucid dreamers do have lucid dreaming in common among other things. I think such an influx of different people and personalities would be detrimental. This forum although growing very rapidly has a core that has a unique abiltity to work together to help each other and the newbies that arrive.
The 9-year-old was sometimes dealt with quite patiently.
Are they really obsessed with post count?
Yes, of course shared dreaming happens. (They just act a bit too cocky and sure in my opinion) Same person: I said it happened to me; why don’t you believe me?
No, of course shared dreaming doesn’t happen.
The main admin doesn’t like post counts. (The cute thing is that Kaniaz got some halving wrong, although I did too quite recently)
Om my God, a 13-year-old has a post count of 2046? With 9 posts a day?
Yes there were some people who were patient with the 9 year old and those people do deserve some credit for that. They are not all bad.
I think that statement speaks for it’s self 
All I can tell you is that I read plenty of posts where people were very annoyed with people who post too much and with post counts in general. Also, many people on dreamviews have like zero tolerance with new people. 
What I do not understand is why they became so hostile toward ld4all. Seems like it happened out of the blue from what I could tell. I could not find anything that anyone from ld4all did or said too or about dreamviews to instigate such strong feelings. DA is right they do call us names and do try to make fun of us. Why ??? All that has done is turn people off to there site. Who knows I might have joined dreamviews that day but, the hole atmosphere there turned me off. Just as well anyway. I most likely would not have been too active on that site. ld4all is home as far as I am concerned.
wow. lots of harboured negative feelings towards my site huh? to be honest i was always rather envious of ld4all’s forum because you seemed so friendly; i find myself at somewhat of a loss in regards to the slight deviation from that friendliness all of a sudden. having said that, however, i suppose i can certainly understand holding one’s home in a higher light and occasionally having to denounce what lies on the outside to accomplish that…i can’t truthfully say i’m innocent of that.
my forum is only a year old and we probably have some “maturing” that we still need to do; i’m very proud of how it’s come along though, and very excited about the new Dream Guide program which was designed to personally welcome each and every new user to the forum, and to provide general assistance while they use the forum. i’m sure i’ve made some mistakes (esp. in regards to having unclear guidelines) but i’m hoping the dream guide program will alter the apparent negative front that we’ve unintentionally presented. we’ve received some great feedback about it so far, which is certainly encouraging.
regardless of your opinions of my site, i always try to take people’s comments into consideration so i thank you for sharing them.
hey pantalimon. i’m hoping it’s alright that we’re sending that much traffic your way? when i was writing the main site i wanted to mention some of the other topics relating to dreaming, and i enjoyed your site so i added a link to it. let me know if you want it changed, etc. i’ve been meaning to rewrite some of the main site again (because the wording is rather off or somewhat deceiving/ambiguous here and there) but i’d like to leave that link if it’s alright; i won’t get to that for a couple more weeks though because i have to finish writing the new chat program.
It’s good to see you visiting ld4all icedawg. Hopefully you will pop back from time to time. 
see! that’s what i love about you guys.
'k bye
I would like to direct your attention to the top right hand of the screen. You will see a link there to sealife which is a different site. One of our most popular members has a link to dreamviews in her signature. In fact we have many links to dreamviews and other sites in various posts on ld4all. We are welcoming of other lucid dreaming sits. So, (and I apologize in advance putting this so bluntly) you argument that we “holding one’s home in a higher light and occasionally having to denounce what lies on the outside to accomplish that” is completely absurd.
I can not say if this is true of you personally or not since I don’t know you at all. What I can tell you is :
=> many links on dreamviews to ld4all have mysteriously vanished or stopped working.
=> In several threads on dreamviews newer members have asked why there is not a link to ld4all on you links page. As near as I can tell they have yet to receive an answer. Furthermore, dreamviews has yet to place a link to ld4all on it’s links page.
=> Some of your members and mods have been openly hostile toward ld4all.
I can tell you why there is some hostility on ld4all directed at dreamviews but, I can not say the same for the reverse. Any hostility from us are the result of attacks by people and mods from your site, deletion of links and posts by your mods etc. What I can not find as I sift through old posts and links is what did anyone from ld4all do to dreamviews. From what I can tell we did nothing to provoke such hostility.
Anyway, I truly hope that things will change for the better in the near future. I would much rather spend my time discussing lucid dreaming or engaging in philosophical debates than dealing with nonsense. You have a good site with some good people and I for one would rather see the two sites emerge from this as partners rather than adversaries .
Good luck you you and I hope to heare more from you.
Its great I’ve been meaning to thank-you for a longtime, keep the link up but very soon the Crossroads will be moving to it own domain so I’ll makesure I send you the new URL.
I’ll join Dreamviews very soon as I have used some of your members dreams as examples of lucids as they described them so well, but I need to make sure its cool.
Personally I don’t think along forum lines like they are a political party and I have to think like everyone else, I’m sure many people here don’t either and have their own views on your forum. I would not come away with the impression that Dreamviews is unliked on LD4all just cause a few people out of thousands have not had good personal experiences.
“In Lak’ech” as the Mayans say “I am another you” which always seems to calm me down when I’m p***ed off with someone.
That’s quite understandable. I absolutely hate it when people just go through the posts and reply with “omg thats so cool” or “yes” or “no, obviously” and I know that whether they say it or not, they’re doing it for the post count.
Don’t worry; I think you should just count that as a small slip-up in your (new) career as a webmaster! As somebody said, it’s a little bit like a political party. Perhaps, if you want a more friendly approach to other forums and sites, you should take phrases like “Rhetorically, we attempt to extricate lucid dreaming from the ensnaring darkness of ignorance.” off the site, quietly (or loudly, I suppose!).
icedawg, you know she’s only acting? Only kidding. Heh.
Have you noticed how bad the link page is on ld4all here? It’s under more → links. It’s just a link to https://dream.start4all.com. I can say that it doesn’t have a link to the wikibook, the lucid crossroads, or dreamviews, or even ld4all itself.
I will assume that dream.start4all.com is not held by pasQuale (despite the similar name) and therefore that it’s pretty much none of our business. I hope pasQuale’s new site design will include a new links section.
What, like inter-site rivalry? I’de like to remind you all that having a variety of (programs, sites, etc) encourages both of them to keep improving. It’s good!
Ld4all does have its own problems. For example, there used to be religious debates cropping up everywhere. Some ridiculous claims (taking objects back from dreams) were handled quite well (that is, very skeptically but with very little flaming)… once the religious debating was split off.
hides behind couch
umm well dream.start4all.com is my site as well but i don’t do anything about it, i know half the links are dead or don’t work… most visitors it gets are from LD4all anyway… On the new LD4all will definately be a links page, don’t worry
runs away before r3m0t can throw a copy of the wikibook to her head
I was not referring to people who make ( what I consider) meaningless posts. On dream views they do appire to discourage people (especially new people) from posting regardless of the quality of the posts. I took the liberty to lurk around dreamviews yesterday and there were a lot of posts that I read when ld4all was down and they are not there now. They were not what I would characterize as abusive nor meaningless posts. The only thing I can think of is they did not concur with the beliefs and views of the dreamviews mods. Suppose that is their right. I am not trying to change how dreamviews operates their site. I am just glad that ld4all does not engage in this type of censorship.
Well how do you really know? That could be true but, you cant say for sure. Who are you to decide that anyway? I could easily point to any number of one or two word posts from you on this site alone. Yet I would not presume to judge the worthiness of those posts. As far as I know none of the mods here has either. Besides, even if what you say is true what do you care. So long as they are not abusive and have at least some relevance to the topic.
That may well be true but, you can find working links to various sites on threads throughout this forum. As far as I know the mods here do not arbitrarily remove links or posts just because they do not like the site they are linked to (or the people who make the posts) like other sites do.
You are going to get things like that on any site. I could start a forum about (lets say gardening) and you will get people who will find something to argue about. But, here on ld4all the mods find ways to deal with it (like splitting topics) so that no one person is censored. When you have a topic about lucid dreaming which has threads that inevitably dive into spiritual topics you going to get some arguments. What I like about ld4all is that it is a strong community. You can have people arguing in one thread and helping each other in another. Some people take things personally but, in my experience on ld4all that wears off pretty quickly. If a person here makes a mistake a goes a little to far they are not made to feel like a leper for all-time like on other sites. Anyway, the point is while we do have our share of hot topics here I would not characterize them as problems since they are dealt with fairly.
edit- Quick up date- Dm7 who ( as I mentioned in a previous post)was nice enough to place a link to dreamviews in her sig also posted a link to ld4all on dreamviews. I just checked dreamviews and her hole post is now gone. I truly hope I am mistaken about this.
I noticed that also, but then I got a pm from icedawg that he restored the link in hargard’s post. So…
Dm7
My mistake. I should have checked with you before I posted that. Guess I jumped to the wrong conclusion. My apologies to dreamviews on that one.
milod that’s ok! I jumped to the conclusion too… then I saw that I had a pm… that makes everything so much better…
So don’t worry.