I get tired of padded poll results. Part of a class my psycologist friend had at uni was about how to skew and pad results, so that whatever you were working on showed in your favor.
If the sanctity of marriage were really a concern, why isn’t everyone upset about the 2 out of 3 divorce rate in our state?
In my peer group, at my age, all my gay and lesbian friends are couples. Their children are delightful. Quite unlike the straight divorced couples children who boing around like a pinball machine and throw tantrums. Just my experience. They are just human beings who want the same things out of life that all the rest of us do.
A choice? I don’t think so. Why would some one choose to live in this society as a gay person? I know both sexes that tried to live a straight life because of family and church. They usually stayed trapped until their kids were older, then they could escape the misery of being someone they were not.
Why? I hear this all the time where I live. What are you afraid of? If it happens to me, I’m a bit flattered and then I walk away. Are you afraid you might be homosexual? Ass kicking starts when you stop using words to communicate. It should be no surprise that we have an ass-kicking leader with an iq of 97. Hmmm. Preach tolerance and kick ass if they don’t agree with you, or are a different race or religion. Wow. I bet Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave so fast it’s smokin’!
Predudice is a learned behavior. I consider it a form of environmental retardation.
The gay marriage issue is being used as a political distraction from the things we need to be paying attention to. Divided we fall, remember? The current admin is counting on it.
To be honest I am surprised this did not trigger a hot debate. So far only one post against and all the others for. I guess that says something about us as a community.
Me too. I thought it was going to be one of those 10 pagers.
But yeah, I was thinking about sex at the time.
Eh… but still, as a minor, I think these restrictive laws are just too big-brother ish.
I didn’t put any innuendo about gaping holes?
Huh? I was merely saying that I’m bad at arguments, the other day this guy (republican) clowned me so badly on my views on taxes that I could’ve cried.
I don’t understand how people could stand to have sex with their own sex, but yeah, REAL love is between two minds and has nothing to do with the body at all… and it’s the love that marriage celebrates.
Really its the republicans that are pushing this. I know that the democrats do oppose it, but they are much less likely to act on it. For the same reason why they think abortion is wrong, but they think it is more important to give a woman the right to choose. One thing about being a more liberal party like the democrats is the fact that you get more freedom when it comes to stuff like gay unions and abortions.
2/3 of the states would have to ratify the amendment, and I very highly doubt that will happen. I don’t know if it is true or not, but I think the courts can strike down something in the constitution if it is unjustified which this seems like it could be called that.
This really reminds me of my graduation in 2003. There was a picket line in front of my graduation because our class president was gay and black and got a big scholarship. And of course the people protesting were all from a religious group.
I live about 40 miles north of Tulsa in the middle of nowhere in the woods. The nearest village (of about 200 people) is about 7 miles from me. I’m about 11 miles from Oologah Lake.
With the cabin here as our home base, dh and I (and later our 3 kids) traveled and lived all over the US. We also lived in Aruba for a few months. If I could go back to live in any of those places, it would be Anaconda, Montana.
What part of OK do you live in, HR?
Re: Dems vs. Rep…A democrat will do more for us as a general population by accident than a republican will do for us on purpose.
As a general rule that is true. However as things apply to the gay marriage the democrats are not taking the right path on this one. Most opting for civil unions rather than marriage.
democrats and republicans are almost indsituingishable, honestly… Oklahoman democrats… if they can be even called that, are just as bad as the stereotypical conservative Republican.
I mean sure they have their differences but I mean… Kerry himself is against gay marriage, he just doesn’t want to make any laws against it… from what I gather.
hey holy reality and green eyes, thats so cool how close we live. i live in bartlesville. and greeneyes it sounds like you live in like talala or winginan.
The driving force behind the whole "no Gay marriage " thing, is the fact that the very religion that does all the marriage stuff is Christianity, which has clearly made it’s opinion clear (even if they don’t think it’s an opinion…).
But it’s stupid, it’s not fair that politics are being driven by Christianity. What if I’m not Christian? I’m not, in fact. So how is that fair to me?
Let’s face it, the only reason this gay thing is an issue is because of the teachings of Christianity. If they weren’t taken into account, then this would’ve ended a long time ago. Because this is no different than not allowing two people of a different race not to marry.
And so… I think it’s obvious that politics should get the hell out of religion(literally, lol). That means getting out of the marriage business completely, and making civil unions have all the rights and benefits that marriages currently have, and allowing gay and bi people to do so as well. Marriage can be left as a private affair, since it is really nothing more than a piece of a religion that happens to be in the majority.
Before anyone says it, it’ll be a mighty cold day when someone is allowed to marry a lamp, just to recieve the benefits. No, we are not on a downward spiral. This civil union will still be defined as “a union between two human adults”. No one will be able to screw with the system (any more than it already is screwed with…).
so i’m not sure, are you saying they should get unions, not marriages, or if they find an instutition that will marry them ( a court, an unorthodox church) that marriage is fine.
it should be the people they go to to marry them’s choice of whether they want to or not?
Actually marriages were performed long before religious institutions started doing them.
The problem with getting out of marriages altogether and have civil unions is that there are specific rights and privileges which are conferred to a married couple. These rights and privileges have been tested in the courts over decades. To switch over to civil unions for all, including same sex couples, would be a lot more problematic than just changing the current law.
Don’t confuse this with the recent outing of New Jersey Gov. James E. McGreevey. This is a whole new and fresh story.
It makes me curious if the gay community’s worst opposition is the closet cases themselves … for fear they will be “outed” and embarrassed.
Marriage superceeds all rights. Once you are married your spouse decisions superceeds your own parents, or any other family member. This doesn't happen with civil unions.
The opposition argues that marriage is an institution for procreation. This is a false representation since many married couples can’t or choose not to have children. … and many people that “can’t” have children usually adopt … which gays can also do. … and also some gays have children from previous relationships.
People make the mistake of bringing sex into question when they discuss homosexuals. It has nothing to do with sex or desire, but it involves “love.” People do no choose who they fall in love with. Even straight people do not choose who they fall in love with. Love is unmistakable and undeniable. If two people really love each other they will be together. Marriage is a commitment between two people to be faithful to each other forever… it is not a promise to have sex and children. blah, I’m ranting from nowhere, and just felt like saying that.
Since the US seems to get all the steam, I thought it would be fun to investigate other countries.
In India homosexuality is against the law and strictly looked down upon. Some people claim that the society in India is not close to accepting it enough to make it not illegal.
In Lebanon, men are legally allowed to have sex with animals, but the animals must be female. Having sexual relations with a male animal is punishable by death.
(the below statements have not been investigated to be as fact)
The penalty for masturbation in Indonesia is decapitation.
In Hong Kong, a betrayed wife is legally allowed to kill her adulterous husband, but may only do so with her bare hands. The husband’s lover, on the other hand, may be killed in any manner desired.
There are men in Guam whose full-time job is to travel the countryside and deflower young virgins, who pay them for the privilege of having sex for the first time… Reason: under Guam law, it is expressly forbidden for virgins to marry.
I hear this all the time where I live. What are you afraid of? If it happens to me, I’m a bit flattered and then I walk away. Are you afraid you might be homosexual? Ass kicking starts when you stop using words to communicate. It should be no surprise that we have an ass-kicking leader with an iq of 97. Hmmm. Preach tolerance and kick ass if they don’t agree with you, or are a different race or religion. Wow. I bet Thomas Jefferson is spinning in his grave so fast it’s smokin’!
I did not know this!
