Can one be awake and still be dreaming?????

If it happens only in sleep paralysis, it must be all right. Some dream characters seem to like to see us off when we depart to reality and don’t want to leave us. :grin: You were lucky that were only harmless kids. :smile: I’ve read somewhere at this forum somebody had enough time to draw in real life a picture he continued to see after waking up. :bored:

Waw, it’s very weird !
I agree with Ilana : if your hallucinations are always related with sleep paralysis, it’s a “normal” sleep paralysis symptom.
As this forum is not a medical one, and you probably won’t find here nor a SP specialist, neither someone who experimented that, try to find information with Google and “sleep paralysis” or “sleep disorders”. It seems to me I saw somewhere a forum about sleep disorders, where people were asking questions like yours.

Of course, if you talk to your family like that : “Hey Dad comma comma comma Please give me the salt comma comma comma Thanks Dad”, I understand that they think you are nuts :wink:

Konnart, Hi, I have a few thoughts about this question.
1- well, I have had the experience in various ways; waking up in bed, opening my eyes, recognizing the realness of being awake, than closing my eyes, and realizing that the dream I had before waking up was still in progress. Or waking up, sitting in bed, in the dark, and watching the dream continue for a few moments in the middle of my room. I remember once tuning around to wake up my girlfriend, and than smiling to my self, “how could she possibly see it, its in my head”.
2- The way I see it, is that the mind has this ability to create images, sounds, feelings or sensations and even smell when we are dreaming. You might have noticed that in dreams, it is more difficult to feel things with your hands than it is to see or hear things, smell is even more difficult.
3- So there is the mind creating this dream environment, and for some reason, when you wake up, it continues to project the dream, and you have the overlapping perception of reality and the dream that is still in progress. Now I think I can safely say that I understand the stress of experiencing something this unusual, because it is unusual, but that does not make it a problem. The problem might come in the form of people not understanding what your exploring and experiencing, the problem might also be that you have to keep up with some social “obligations” like school, work, or what ever. To see the actual size of the problem you can try to imagine if You could get away and just go somewhere you like and stay there for as long as you like, so as to take the time to work through this experience your having. I mean, come on, if every one around you said “cool, how do you do it, can you teach us, how long does it last…” You would most probably feel only a fraction of the stress you feel. Perspective.
4- “it got so scary that ive been trying to stop LDing,at least till i understand what’s goin on,its been two months now,i get so scared now wen i realize im dreaming that i wake up as soon as i do”
5- As a basic rule, I would say, drop the fear as if it was a stone in your hand. If You stop LDing, how will you figure out what your dealing with? You can’t learn to ride a motorbike with out starting the engine and riding it, you can read up on some theory but in the end, you have to get on it and ride it. It’s like rock climbing, in a way, and I have seen people; fear and than panic on a rock face. They lose there ability to function, to deal with what is in there face, the rock, climbing, and you have to hang there, talk them through the images in there mind, bring them back to the rock face, so that they can do what they need to do to move on/up. Your exploring like many people in this place, new territories in your own mind, see it as a challenge rather than defining it as a problem… I would encourage you to move on, deal with the fears, work through them, and learn more about the ability of the mind to project dream like images while in an awaken state.
6- Having said that, I would have to add that if you need to gather up more theory about what your experiencing before pushing on, than do so. And you might share with others here what you find out about the theory and the practice of this subject. I think it’s an excellent subject to be work here. When things get like that for me, I go partly scientist, I start writing down all my observation of who when where how why… and it put a bit of a distance between my self and the stress/fear that might have come up.
7- So, good luck with it, have fun, and I will try to find some theory on the subject, and post it here if I find some.
8- Note; insane, just look outside, look at most people and what they value, and if you live in a big city, the insanity is all the more blatant, so a little hallucination is a far cry from being even ankle high to insanity. Don’t worry about insanity.
yes, one last thing, you might find some interesting similaries with Dr. Timothy Leary, PhD (1920-1996) Psychologist, philosopher, explorer, teacher, optimist, author and revolutionary avatar of the mind… it’s been a long time since i read one of his books, but I do remember him having much to say about hallucinations. I’ll try to find more practical stuff in the next few weeks.
like the dwarph said to him self while running on to the land of mordor,“BREATH, JUST BREATH”.

first of all i would like to say that i stopped writing in this columb when i was first scollded by remot for using to many comas… i realy dont want to hear it from nobody else…i didnt know i needed a degree in typing just to get a message across…i mean… ignore the f***ng comas and pay attention to whats realy important here… anyway i put those comas there bcuz i somtimes feel im all over the place wen i talk so i separate everything so it dont look like one long message…second i would like to thank Gordo for posting a book that woke me up to alot of stuff that i would have otherwise misssed… it was a little depressing to find out that what i was expeiriencing was the first stages of an oobe,… but everytime my spirit body was about to leave i would shake the vibrations off cus i thot sumthing was wrong…third i would like to thank, Deucalion for taking the time to read my post and give me some very valuable pointers on this…its been very frustrating but ive been trying my ass off to get where i was mentaly b4" the big scares"…its been pretty hard and very frustrating, but i think im getting there but very slowly… last night i had a prediction dream where i was walking my dog and caught a snake…this morning when i was walking the dog i caught a snake, the same one from my dreams, same color and everything…i didnt even know there were snakes around these parts…anyway i dont know what happend but im not as obsessed with dreaming as i was a few months ago but im trying realy hard to be obsessed…cus it seems to me that that is the only way it works, if its on your mind 24-7 …

A bit picky now are we?? Maybe we should just ban those who suffer from dyslexia aswell? I perfectly understood what this person was saying.

I doubt such comments would be good for a persons self esteem…

writing properly is important to a forum. how else do you convey your message?

anyways, interesting read, this.

Konnart - if you think that there is crazy, you have no idea. if that happened to me i would think of it as fun, because it would help me alot in remembering my dreams. why it happens and how to do anything about it is beyond the scope of my knowledge, but i say go with the flow, and just enjoy the ride.

and besides, since when was it a bad thing to be a little crazy? if anyone sees you talking to a dc while wide awake, it would be a great way to start a conversation, right? if you time things right, and be creative, it might even be a good way to get a date :tongue:

Did I say ban? I certainly don’t think we should ban konart, or dyslexics, or anything like that. While you may have understood what he was saying, it’s a pain to read when it’s all in one long line, and hard to sift through too.

Besides, is it really that much effort to press space between words? konart kept forgetting to. What’s so hard about capitalizing “I” and “I’m”? Giving your post a look through and neatening it up? “askt”? “scatterd”? “mentaly”? “b4”? I mean, is this English?

btw konnart its kinda funny wen i looked in ur post history… instead of riting with commas you rote with dots… thats relly funny…

Hey, I don’t really care about his/her self-esteem. They know that they aren’t writing proper English. They know some people don’t like reading it. What’s the problem with me telling him?

konnart, keep in mind that when you write like that and you have a lot of seperate ideas in your post, people might need to rewrite it before they can give it the reply it deserves.

konnart, doesn’t the fact that profanity is filtered mean anything to you? An automatic system isn’t a warning, it’s a rule. (I think.)

Hey, just look at everybody else who didn’t mention it! (Or mentioned it in good humour). There’s no need to stop writing here. Besides, I’m out to get you, wherever you are… :crazy:

Now I’ll get to what you’ve actually wrote, if I have anything interesting to say about it.

Sounds like that’s just hypnapompic imagery to me. I’m just surprised that using your body (especially talking) doesn’t wake you up completely.

Don’t worry about the rather wierd dreams. They’re always wierd, right? That’s what’s so cool about them, right?

(There are three problems with my post. The first is that I quoted the original post in full, the second is that everybody’s said pretty much the same thing, the third is that it’s a bit tongue-in-cheek. I’m not going to to bother correcting any of them, just to make my point. :cool:)

lyk i sed b4…i didnt know i needed a degree in typing to post here… and you lookt thru my post history but neglected to take note of the post dates…cuz i started using dots after u complained about my comas…pleez stop bieng so anal… and stick to wuts important… dont hate on me cuz i use two fingers to type…
all im trying to do iz b a part of somthing thats means alot to me… :confused:

Konnart you typ as you want to typ a message, its not a grammar school here indeed! On the other hand ppl are free and can say ok i dont want to read that post because i cant make any sense out of it.

So if you want that ppl read your post, you lol shall have to take a certain ammount of effort to make it so that ppl can read it and want to read it.
Thats it!

Btw konnart i have had many experiences in variation of being awake and already dreaming at the same time.
so yes its possible.
for me it came with meditation, hypnosis and trance experience, or just being extremely tired.

Kool with Me…“cant we all just get along”?!

that was good by the way jeff… gotta hand it to ya!

I’ve had that but I wouldn’t have been able to describe it so clearly.

I don’t have a problem with posts unless someone is being got at.

Why does it have to be 100% correct, when we understood what this person said?? My writing skills suck, and i dont want to stop using forums/messageboards just because of that. Not everyone has equalent skills…

You seem like a very egoistic and selfish person then. :neutral:

no, we don’t have equal skills, but the fact is that writing like that , with all one sentence, and no line breaks, and not being a bit careful with the space, and all that, can lead to people having to practically rewrite your post to make sense of it, and surely you don’t want that, because then everybody will just give up on you and go away, yeah? and you dont want that, right? cos thats annoying.

Thanks for reading my post.

If you don’t tell people things they might not like, then… then people won’t know things they should!

True! Good point!
If you keep it informing and not judging ppl dont have to feel offended from it.

I’m not sure you understood, Jeff… the “Thanks” bit was referring to the two quotes above it. In sarcasm. :content:

Hmmm… Could we come back to the main topic ? :grin:
Konnart, there is something I didn’t understand in your first post.

When I’ve read this first post, I believed that your were fully awaken, for instance standing in the kitchen, and that you suddenly had an hallucination. This would have been very very weird. :bored:
After reading other posts, what I understand now is that these events happend when you were in your bed, just after waking up, and that you talked to your brother in a bed near yours. Am I wrong ?
Does it happend just once ?
If so, I had two similar experiences, just after waking up. In one of them, I was in my bed yet when I saw a ball of fire going out of my body and flying in the room. It lasted just a second. I was fully awake cause just after that I went out of my bed and eat my breakfast.
But your experience must have last much longer, if you were talking with dream people ?

my expirience lasted about ten to 15 seconds long… just long enuf to talk to dream ppl then talk to my brother then talk to dream pll again and poof they wer gone… one time there was kids in my room and a road leading out from my wall, i could see ppl on the street on the side of my house… in that dream i was also talking with my wide awake brother… one time i n my room there was couches on both sides of my bed with ppl on them, hanggin out like it was normal… my other brother came in the room and askt me who i was talking to. . . my other concern at the time i posted was the buzzing feeling and twisting rubber noises that i would hear wen i was just at the point of falling asleep but still awake… it almost felt like i was passing out cuz everything would go black and all sounds would just completely stop… i mean zero sound… i would shake this off… but i think im begining to understand what that was… maybe the begining stages of an OOBE, i dont know , but im still reading a few things… but i can say that this has all stopped and i think its bcuz i stopped tryin to LD, ecept for just recently when i stummbled on to this web site… im makin slow progress but nothin close to were i was… for the last three days ive been having dreams where i would get from place to place hovering, like a foot off the ground, and for some reason this is perfectly normal to me bcuz it dosent trigger LDing…