Well you can die from taking just one aspirin. Yes it has happened. But, giving an aspirin to a child for a headache is not abuse. Everything in life has some potential for risk. How many newborns have died, had to have sex change, or suffered other ill effects as a result of the procedure?
I am not trying to make light of your concerns. It sounds like you were a victim of a botched procedure. I don’t have anywhere near the problems you mentioned above. It sounds like you were really injured and perhaps you should see a lawyer and find out if you are entitled to compensation for your injuries.
I said i dont agree with it, but there is also a line you must draw for who is in control of the child, I agree that it is a bad thing and it should not be done(conclusion drawn from what i have read here) but i think that parents should be responsable for the children, of course there will be parents that make the wrong decisions…but you have to hope that the majority of people will make the right choice.
You cannot rely on the government to control these things (which is what i am assuming you are getting at) it is unfair on parents who lose some of their control with the children.
I think you are very very passionate about this subject, maybe you should take the initiative and make up some brochures full of information to give to parents… if you want to make a difference start thinking bigger.
“I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education.” Thomas Jefferson
It’s a shame that our current administration never read this. We are told very little useful information in our media and I have to look outside the US to find out what is really going on. Sorry…off topic…sort of…
My point is that people should know all they can before deciding something that will effect an entire lifetime. Especially the lifetime of someone else.
You seem to be in a lot of pain in various ways, Holy Reality. Is there anything a dr. could do to help? Have you done any research about corrective surgery? Is there such a thing? I will investigate this, because life isn’t supposed to be miserable, right? I’ll let you know if I find anything that might help you.
I also understand your extremes about drawing lines. So many lines are being drawn in this country over so-called security matters, I’m starting to get paranoid. Twitch-twitch. It scares me when people are against abortion, but for the death penalty. Oops. Oh yeah, the topic…
yeah but aspirin does not cause deliberate suffering, it actually aleviates pain… circumcision is in the same vain of chopping a childs finger off…
that’s a very bad analogy. (i wouldn’t give kids aspirin though, wtf, they just need to learn to suck it up except for if they are in real bad pain, these people that take tons of tylenol everytime they get the slightest head pressure are going to totally screw up their pain receptors really quick… i take it maybe every 3 months …)
also, assuming they don’t die from aspirin, it is not a permanent unreversible affect.
but what gives, parents should be responsible for their children, their diets, whatever… okay… but why can’t I molest my kids? Maybe I like to go to a sex church and practice kama sutra, and I want my children to come enjoy it with me?
The laws line out child abuse plain and simple, international laws condemn circumcision, the government can and should say no.
If you want to disicipline your kid for being bad you don’t cut his finger off for stealing a candy bar… BUT I WANT TO! I think kids fingers should be cut off, they’d learn really quick! IT SHOULD BE MY RIGHT AS A PARENT.
Don’t you see the huge fallacy in what you are saying? A spanking might harm the mind a bit but unless you beat them regularly they get over it… circumcision cannot be undone, it’d be in the same light as cutting a childs finger off each time he stole something.
No one should have that right.
How can you disagree? Maybe we should take their appendixes out if they eat too much ice cream, a few days in a hospital should set them straight?
I mean I see what you are saying, but I think bodily mutilation (like giving infants breast implants, FYI, some parents are doing that) should be out the question.
amazing, things like that almost make me proud to be an American, I bet he’d single handedly kick the entire Bush administrations asses and have them tried for treason if he was with us today.
my only option is restoration, it’d suck having to hide the devices from my family and it’s not a quick process, it’d also be embarrassing to no end if somehow someone saw me with it on or de-pantsed me.
I’m not that bad, it’s at least half psychological…
careful, they don’t like it when you twitch, it’s a symptom of thought-crime.
anyway though i hate circumcision i’ve mellowed out for the time being, going back to school and partying (once) has kind of left me better things to think about… though i did manage to have a brief drunken discussion about this subject, their answer “yeah but it looks nasty”
How can I tell if I’m circumsized or not? From everyone’s descriptions, I’m assuming I am not. I think I even recall my father telling me they decided not to have it done to me because of problems that can develop. I’d ask but I’m a little too embarrassed. I’m very private with my body.
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I’m tempted to just suck it up and use Google image search to find out.
[EDIT: I used the image search and can say that I am indeed circumsized. That said, I can attest that I still experience quite a lot of pleasure from my penis. While I suppose it could be more, it’s still quite a lot from the least bit of contact. I also don’t care that much about sex or physical pleasure in my life, so it’s not that big a deal that I’m missing out anyway.
holy reality, it really sounds like you’ve been butchered. You probably should do everything you can in terms of restoration.]
“I also don’t care that much about sex or physical pleasure in my life, so it’s not that big a deal that I’m missing out anyway.”
that might very well be subject to change one day.
if there’s skin covering the head of the penis you’re UNcircumcised, if there is no skin around it, you’re circumcised, i don’t know why your father would tell you that if it was done to you anyway.
and it’s alright to ask, though you found out for yourself, i thought i was uncircumcised for a long time, i always thought “what extra skin, there’s nothing left to cut off! they can’t cut off the head, why would they do that? Man I’m glad they didn’t”
With nothing to compare themselves to, oppressed people do not realize they are oppressed. - Orwell.
I was just demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.
I am more inclined to agree with you that circumcision should not be done. However, I do not feel it is child abuse either.
Parents do not have this procedure done to purposely cause children pain. They have it done because they are told by doctors that it should be done for health reasons. If parent are provided with misinformation that is certainly an issue that should be addressed.
However, I have to say that I have not seen this long term damage you are talking about. I do not have any of the problems you mentioned and I don’t know anyone who has. Like I said above it sounds like you were seriously injured as a result of a botched procedure. You have every right to be angry.
I’m 16, you’re 18. Not much difference there. I have a girlfriend and we are active, but sexual pleasure is not something I wake up for. While it’s great and everything, I have other passions in life.
I can, however, moderately understand your position since you’ve been deprived of most all sexual pleasure. You have every right to be wanting more for yourself.
ok all i gotta say is if you don’t wanna be circumsized or if u were and it got screwed up or wutever. So what just grow it back.
Hey if fat people can gain weight and get fatter.
If weight lifters can increase their muscle mass.
If if fat people can lose weight and get skinny.
then you can regrow your dick if u feel like it.
dont say it cant be done then ur just a pessimistic fool, there’s always a way i know from experience about changing ones body size and shape or “shape shifting” wutever people call it these days. Just do it and itll be funny if you got the determination to be successful and ur parents find out sumhow. Itll just piss them off. They tried to foil ur plans in life but were out smarted.
I dunno where im going im not on drugs but im a bit crazy. Anyway i speak the truth in the earlier segment of this presentation by garrett d. If you dont believe me ask aydira about shapeshifting with me…Stuff works. think about when fat people lose 100 pounds and they have all that extra skin hanging around.
well save parnormal “shape shifting” umm… yeah… can you teach me how? I tried " i am not circumcised" while I was dreaming, and it didn’t work.
you CANNOT get it back, we simply don’t have the technology… now there is one option
they could literally GROW me a penis (why not a big one while we’re at it) using my arm, like they did for some Russian child, and then somehow replace it with my current one, and supposedly maybe somehow… it would be fully functional (i think it was not a real penis, just something similar to one though so it wouldn’t work right now)
but I mean, there are parts, some sort of weird “male g spot” underneath the head, all sorts of heat receptors, estrogen receptors, extra nerve endings, that cannot be regrown, you can streatch your old skin over and eventually with devices get it to act as foreskin, so some sensitivity comes back and the dried skin on the glas peels off and the glas sensitizes again.
but it is by no means even remotely as functional as the original natural foreskin + attachments.
anyway if i could shape shift (any time i wanted) i’d give being a woman a try for a while… I bet we all would…
WRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRONG!
You will change so much in 2-3 years, believe me, you will, especially if you go to college. I’m 100% different than I was at 16…
trust me, your world views will change sooooo so much, everything will change… unless you decide to just adopt the views society/family have given you (what we spiffy psychologists call identity foreclosure)
sure i guess you could forge an identity at 16 but it’s rather rare since the high school environment and family tend to stifle creativity and open minded thinking… and encourage conformity.
(and likewise i will change a lot by the time i’m 24 probably)
getting into college, and/or being on the internet (which you already qualify) can change you more than ever imaginable.
I <3 the interent and if they ever try to control/censor it… god help me… i’ll be on an FBI list for sure… without it we’d remained uncultured, blinded to the world, arrogant, and we’d have no alternative sources of media… (pretty much) …
Well, you can take it at face value considering this is the internet and we can all magically be whatever we want instantly, but I truly find myself to be unique among my peers (again, for all you know, I think I’m different because I’ve got dyed hair – which I don’t). Oh I hardly find it worth talking about. Nothing on here matters. It doesn’t matter what you say to me cause I’m gonna keep doing what I think is natural, and likewise, it matters not what I tell you of myself because you will still have to make assumptions to communicate with me.
Either way, I’m sure you’re right. I think I just went/am undergoing a huge change of personality and I’ll probably have another one in a year or two.
College is going to be insane. So much freedom to do anything and I’ll probably be more boring that I am now. I’ve had the luxury of freedom in my family, so it’s no new sensation to me. Now I’m just ranting. Oh well, this is my temporary psychological release.
yeah i didn’t mean to sound like i had you “figured out” or anything but it’s almost a given that you’ll go through tons of changes by the time you reach 18, or somewhere around there… though you could have already gone through some of it already it’s certainly possible.
I’m not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet, but the whole anti-cirumcision thing is rooted deeply in anti-semitism.
Plus, it just seems that holy reality is insecure about his dick. Oh, and the whole “needing lube” thing is bullshit. Precum takes care of that. It might just be that holy reality has a disfunctional penis, and is blaming that on circumcision. I mean, when someone considers having a new dick grown, that’s pretty sad.
Also, no new-born circumcision takes 8 hours. Where ever you read this, it is either an exageration or a lie. At tops it takes a couple of seconds, and it’s completely reasonable. My brother is not cut, and he says it’s nothing special, except that if you don’t clean under the skin, it hurts like a bitch.
So stop bitching about circumcision and stop crying about your penis.
I do not think anti-semitism has anything to do with it.
Now I have no problems with sensation or any of the other things that were brought up here. But, there are many people who have this procedure done as a matter of routine. It will be done unless the procedure is specifically objected to and perhaps we should rethink that practice. Apparently there are people who have been damaged by the procedure and since it appears to be a completely unnecessary procedure should we force this on newborns. Perhaps we should wait until children are older and can make that choice for themselves.
It is interesting that this has become such a long topic. 10 pages now.
Pre-cum? What pre-cum? It doesn’t work as lube because I don’t produce it until right before I’m almost done, which takes far too long… you think I dont’ know my own body? Why are you so in favor of circumcision? You have the right to be but you shouldn’t ■■■■■■■ tell me what to think about what was done to my damned body, you don’t know a thing about it.
[size=200][color=red]If it wasn’t a big deal don’t you think I wouldn’t be complaining?[/color][/size]
are you that dense, have you read none of the links here? CIRCUMCISION CAN CAUSE DYSFUNCTION IN THE ADULT PENIS…
But why am I even addressing you, you’d know that if you read through the links… you shouldn’t be stating your opinion if you don’t bother to try to make it an informed one.
and plus you’d see that circumcision is dangerous and can cause complications at any age infants die from very small amounts of blood lost whereas an adult wouldn’t.
and anti-semitism? Are you a Jew? I’m not sure why you’d infer such things… it’s not anti-semitism, it’s anti-anyone who ■■■■■ with people’s bodies without their consent-ism.
People cry racist far too much… granted a lot of people still are but …
I mean it’s like you know, a white man makes a black joke and it’s racism, but a black man makes a white joke and it’s funny and acceptable…
Religions should be accepting of their criticisms, afterall they force their views upon others and demand respect, but respect works both ways.
First off, try an act like an adult.
Second off, I do agree with you on the consent issue. No doctor should ever perform sugury on someone without their/their parents consent. But you have to realize that doctors are required to do this for circumcisions too. They outline very clearly the risks and the benifits of the procedure before doing it.
Also, I’m not arguing in favor or against circumcisions. I’m just trying to say that it’s really just a small choice that really doesn’t matter. I mean, you’re going on this weird sensationalist crusade against it.
Btw, I’m not jewish, I’m an atheist.
Check out this unbiased website for the truth on circumcision: https://kidshealth.org/parent/system/surgical/circumcision_p2.html
