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That’s the right attitude. 
You just have to put forth the effort and practice and you will see results.
I’m going to reply by replying to people’s quotes.
They must regognise that not every body is the same. I don’t think they would just leave the site because it has a different view on something, unless they were strongly against something you say.
Who says lucid dreaming’s hard? Is this a placebo effect?
What makes something easy or hard? If it’s fun, it’s much easier. I will use the example of learning to ride a bik. Learning to ride a bike can be fun. This makes it seem easier, and more enjoyable overall. This learning experience will help them in the long run, giving them a posotive attitude for ever more.
Who says it’s a lie? It’s more of an opinion. There is no such thing as a wrong opinion.
Then I submit that I am not lieing, just giving my opinions. This is, that everytime I have said to myself, Lding is easy, it has been easy for me.
So does that mean that LDing is hard, and that this is a fact?
I would much rather read it than “you’ll find LDing really hard”. If you don’t like motivation, don’t read it!
My website will contain a midway point of view, but still stressing that they can make LDing an easy learning process, rather than hard.
It is beyond our control to control what they read. We can only advice them.
Yes, it’s up to them wether they make it hard or easy. I say it’s easy because it can be made easy.
If I’m noy mistaken, this severly stumped your Lding growth. I hope this can be avioded for newbies.
All we can do is try to make it easier by helping them. It’s better to have help than be left alone to tackle a challange.
And neither would I
I’ll resist the sarcasm. 
I’ve already attacked your arguments to much.
OT. Will this just go in circles?
here’s a proposition:
newbie: is lucid dreaming hard ???
old head: it depends
let’s not try to impose our opinions or biases on them, cause just seeing how long this thread has gone on, we all have a lot of opinions and biases. i feel so bad for any newbies who have stumbled across this thread and has tried to figure out who was “right”
[i]When taxes are too high,
people go hungry.
When the government is too intrusive,
people lose their spirit.
Act for the people’s benefit.
Trust them; leave them alone.
-Lao-tzu (Tao Te Ching - Chapter 75)[/i]
let them find their own way 
I agree. Leave them alone. If they ask how hard it is I will just say it depends on how hard you choose to make lucid dreaming. I will still say make it easy on yourself, but prehaps I won’t overload them with opinions.
THis topic is a good example of what could happen when you overload them with opinions.
We should tell them that lucid dreaming is very dangerous and stops you from ever waking up again. 
Tell them that if you die in a lucid dream you die in real life. The body cannot function without the brain… 
Bloomin’ 'eck! Why are you encouraging us then if it can kill us? I’m not gonna try anymore if that’s how high the stakes are!
Morpheus is always right. Im just retelling what he told Neo. 
You can come back to life if someone kisses you in real life while you are dying in the dream, that was also demonstrated in the Matrix 
Lol./ I love this debate. It’s giving me motivation to lucid dream.
Shhh! Your sub-c might pick up on it.
Oops, you may be right, I read somewhere that your subconscious doesn’t understand sarcasm, or any jokes for that matter.
Dunno if that’s the casre though, 'cos it’s constantly playing pranks on me.
So you shouldn’t joke to the newbies.
I read something about AP once that said, “the only thing you have to worry about is having a heart attack,” in the first paragraph. Funnily enough, I’ve ignored it ever since.
Well I told you the debate will go on. This is a great discussion though.
Unfortunately I still don’t know what the right answer is. I am still 100% against telling people that lucid dreaming is hard.
Perhaps this is the safest middle ground.
We can just be supportive and encouraging with new LD ‘ers.
I beleive there is a new danger. If you hold your breath, you can pass out or die. No joking. So I suggest you don’t try to sufficate your self in an LD, or in RL for that matter.
Back onto topic, I am also against ever telling them that it’s hard. Because it’s not. Lucid dreaming is easy. I don’t understand why people fidn it hard. THey just make it hard. THey have to stop wanting lucidity so hard.
I just have to say this, because my teacher said it and didn’t understand why everyone was laughing at him. I guess this debate has become popular, and so we aught to call it a mass debate. Ha, ha, not funny!! Awww, it wasn’t a bad attempt at humor!?
But we enjoy messsing with your minds. It means you will never be able to leave the forum again. Plants idea into heads
I’ll pop in and just cough towards a relevant section of the wikibook which hasn’t even been changed since the debate started:
(the underlines are mine)
This is called Neutral point of view. I think that I’ll just pop in and say that I agree with what people seem to have arrived at, which is NPOV, so I win. 
Yes, but it talks about how one can make it hard for themselves, not easy. You must give them a NPOV while tellling them how some people have mamnaged to make it easy.
I’m not sure it’s completely a NPOV, because it talks about how to make it hard for themselves.
Darn. I keep posting as the avatar reaper when I’m logged in. Sorry.
Not so fast.
Technodreamer. Grrr.
I really like that. We should tell them that.
Let’s tell them that when everything goes blank they’re eyes are being pushed out of their sokets in RL.
I don’t understand - it just says that with bad circumstances, LDing may take longer.
You can’t kill yourself by holding your breath. If you hold it for long enough, you pass out. Once you pass out, you automatically begin breathing again.
Exactly. And although it’s not ment to put a negative view, it does. Even if it is subconscious.
That’s still pretty dangerous. I’m sure you would make youself ill.